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    (Original post by Wōden)
    If aliens invade Earth, they will target the largest political entities first, such as the European Union. If Britain is outside of the EU when this occurs, they will simply view us as a few Islands of no significance or threat, and will hopefully leave us alone. Therefore, we must leave the EU.

    What? My baseless scenario is just as valid as your baseless scenario.
    Firstly the likelihood of an alien invasion is very slim.

    Second do you really want us to become a few Islands of no significance? Just because of the rare chance of alien invasion. If we are so insignificant with nearly 80 million people who will trade with us? We will become an insignificant overpopulated third world country. No trade means no jobs, that means less tax which means no public services like no welfare or NHS.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    Brexit could be the end for the Royal family.

    So the UK leaves the EU,

    1) Scotland demands independence so they can get back in the EU and they win the referendum. Scotland will become a republic and the queen will have to vacate her Scottish palaces.

    2) Economic turmoil post Brexit and massive recession makes Wales decide they'd be better back in the EU so Wales leaves. Wales becomes a republic and the EU helps them rebuild their steel industry and economy. That means the prince of Wales no longer has that role and loses his status of Prince and can't become King neither can William and Harry.

    The royal will only have England left to rule over.

    3) Considering that the royal family is of German, Dutch and Greek origin then leaving the EU will disconnect them from their countries of Origin.

    4) Economic turmoil in England could lead to several things:

    a) The rise of communism that could demand a referendum on the royal family that we can't afford to keep.

    b) Northern regions of England demand to unify with the Republic of Scotland. While the West Country and midlands demands unification with the Republic of Wales. That only leaves the South East of England left that is all that could remain of England.

    c) Other royal families in Denmark, Spain, Holland etc demand that the queen abdicates for leaving the EU.

    d) Since the end of WW2 the EU has thought against the spread of communism. Without the EU communism could grow in Britain and result in abolition of the Royal family.

    So we see how Brexit can open a Pandora's box of problems.

    If you love Britain then don't let Bre 'it become Break 'it !

    Love Britain love the EU!
    Quite absurd really

    1) There is no indication that an independent Scotland would be a republic, on the contrary the SNP has endorsed the monarchy several times.

    2) Wales has no mandate to leave.

    3) The royal family might have European ancestry but its loyalty to is to its homeland, which is Britain.

    4) Assuming an imminent economic collapse (which is absurd given that preparations will be made years in advance)
    a) Even the Great Depression did not lead to communism, it's a fringe movement at best.
    b) Northern counties have no desire to join Scotland
    c) No foreign royal family would risk a political scandal, it would actually strengthen the monarchy.
    d) Communism has never gained traction in England, it has in Germany and Spain though.

    As a remain supporter this is a desperate argument.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    Firstly the likelihood of an alien invasion is very slim.

    Second do you really want us to become a few Islands of no significance? Just because of the rare chance of alien invasion. If we are so insignificant with nearly 80 million people who will trade with us? We will become an insignificant overpopulated third world country. No trade means no jobs, that means less tax which means no public services like no welfare or NHS.
    Stop rabbling and rabbiting on.

    Your points do not make sense, as evident by your posts. It does not need further explanation.
    People first need something to work with to debate points, and you haven't given us anything. Your post is like the debris of a tsunami at the moment, in terms of organisation and coherency.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
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    Quite absurd really

    1) There is no indication that an independent Scotland would be a republic, on the contrary the SNP has endorsed the monarchy several times.

    2) Wales has no mandate to leave.

    3) The royal family might have European ancestry but its loyalty to is to its homeland, which is Britain.

    4) Assuming an imminent economic collapse (which is absurd given that preparations will be made years in advance)
    a) Even the Great Depression did not lead to communism, it's a fringe movement at best.
    b) Northern counties have no desire to join Scotland
    c) No foreign royal family would risk a political scandal, it would actually strengthen the monarchy.
    d) Communism has never gained traction in England, it has in Germany and Spain though.

    As a remain supporter this is a desperate argument.
    As a leave supporter, I endorse this and find the whole thread absurd to suggest there will be no UK, no England XD if we Brexit. I feel there are pro's and con's to continued membership and Brexit, mainly due to the question of what to expect in the future. There is more guidance in this regards to continued membership in order to accept or not, as opposed to Brexit (although there is some) and once endorsed by the PM as a possible route for the UK, before revealing an absurd story of his own, to suggest a Brexit would risk war on the European Continent - the Council of Europe, founded by the people of Europe, was established to prevent war and unite the people of Europe: 28 (EU) + 19 (non-EU)

    However, I am firm on the belief that the referendum is the embodiment of democracy where we can have a say and it remains to be seen how England will vote, how Scotland will vote, NI and Wales, because the polls cannot always be believed (ref: General Election 2015) and so we will see after June 23rd, rather than speculate the break-up of Britain as we know it.

    While I am sceptical towards polls, YouGov provides polls on various issues and what I find interesting, is that Labour voters do not support the Monarchy as much as the other party voters: https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/09/08...chy-here-stay/

    To address the issues the OP have brought up:
    -- It is argued that the EU could help Welsh Steel - like they did with British steel? (http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...escue-UK-steel)
    -- Scotland risks becoming a republic outside the EU - theEU has 21 republics and 7 monarchies
    -- It is the EU that keeps the royal family connections - hardly, the EU have nothing to do with the Monarchy. You assume we will be disconnected
    -- To remain in the EU if you love Britain - well! that is your view, but I would challenge that as the status of being 'European' overrides national interests, which Juncker confirms by suggesting we should be European and not British (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...s-eus-juncker/) so if you love Britiain, we ought to be outside the EU but work with the EU
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    Firstly the likelihood of an alien invasion is very slim.

    Second do you really want us to become a few Islands of no significance?Just because of the rare chance of alien invasion. If we are so insignificant with nearly 80 million people who will trade with us? We will become an insignificant overpopulated third world country. No trade means no jobs, that means less tax which means no public services like no welfare or NHS.
    The point that is being made in relation to the 'alien invasion' is in recognition of the rare chancewhich is exactly the same as what you propose BUT I do agree that we are HARDLY insignificant with who we trade with now BUT you shouldn't rule out who else we can trade with AND you assuming we will have no trade and jobs with no public services - How on earth did countries cope before the EU come, and boy! those European countries outside the EU must be in dire need of help X_x compared to Greece that is IN the EU

    Also you suggest 'less tax', what about MORE tax, which appears to be on its way, whether remain in the EU (VAT tax for unemployed, petrol tax for migrants, tax to recover from fines for refusing refugees) and a 'Brexit tax' to leave the EU to make up the difference - which! reveals little support for what the UK can do outside, which Cameron supported until the re-negotiation BUT what about the savings? as a top think-tank reveals how the EU has held the UK back, with the UK having the lowest export growth

    Still not convinced? What about the rise in earnings that Lord Rose, Chairman of the 'Britiain Stronger in Europe' campaign had admitted and YET said high wages is not necessarily a good thing O_o HOW is not having higher wages and being the difference between needing welfare NOT a good thing - which we can obtain in a Brexit
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    (Original post by animus01)
    Still not convinced? What about the rise in earnings that Lord Rose, Chairman of the 'Britiain Stronger in Europe' campaign had admitted and YET said high wages is not necessarily a good thing O_o HOW is not having higher wages and being the difference between needing welfare NOT a good thing - which we can obtain in a Brexit
    I always find it amazing how the Express can perform miracles of spin, and even more astounding that someone can present it as some kind of impartial source. Here's what followed on from Lord Rose's comment then:

    : It is hard to know, because there would be such an array of different economic consequences if that happened. In that scenario where we ended free movement, we would also lose access to the single market. Any economist, at that stage, would perhaps have an even harder job than working out the benefits of our membership now, of working out what precisely had caused the changes in economic fundamentals.
    So yes, labour costs would rise, but the economic dislocation of Brexit has the potential to be so considerable that any small benefit from that could be lost in the greater economic adjustments that would be happening. Stands to reason.
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    (Original post by gladders)
    I always find it amazing how the Express can perform miracles of spin, and even more astounding that someone can present it as some kind of impartial source. Here's what followed on from Lord Rose's comment then:

    So yes, labour costs would rise, but the economic dislocation of Brexit has the potential to be so considerable that any small benefit from that could be lost in the greater economic adjustments that would be happening. Stands to reason.
    I find it ironic that someone can question the press as a source and then use it as a source (albeit the reference was towards the quotes Lord Rose made, where 'spin' has no application, because to falsely quote is to be liable of a defamation claim), after rejecting official sources that brings forth real causes of concern when it comes to European Membership XD and after ignoring everything that is said to judge sources alone - because the point I made above, is that there are pro's and con's to Brexit as there is to European Membership - and to ignore that, is not impartial at all.

    In terms of higher wages, you have confirmed and endorsed what I said despite your whine - while the economic situation is neither here or there when considering it is being assessed along the lines of a Britain alone and detached completely, which links to his political stance - but! if 'Brexit' happens, then it is down to the Article 50 (official source) negotiations to make the best deal to protect the UK's interest, which a 'remain' vote seeks
 
 
 
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