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    (Original post by Zacken)
    \displaystyle 

\begin{equation*} \int x^{n+1} \, \mathrm{d}x = \frac{x^{n+1}}{n+1} + \mathcal{C} \quad \quad \, (n \neq -1) \end{equation*}
    that's wrong isn't it?

    x^n integrated is (x^n+1)/(n+1) + c
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    Yes, the average time take for groups of people from other cultures to integrate into UK society is 125 years. The are many similarities between the family structures in muslim majority countries and the UK so these various cultures are far from incompatible. These things take time but social mechanics allow it to be totally possible for very many people - leading to definitive integration of future generations. No amount of media trash can interfere with how societies actually work.
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    (Original post by XOR_)
    Should it not be at dm, for muslim?
    Brilliant. :lol:
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    (Original post by anonwinner)
    that's wrong isn't it?

    x^n integrated is (x^n+1)/(n+1) + c
    Yeah, it's 4 a.m here. Whoops. :lol:
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    (Original post by Tyreke)
    'you know male and females can't be friends in Islam? So, if you really want to follow your religion don't talk to him.'

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    Worrying, very worrying. I can only hope most muslims do not adhere to this rule that encourages isolation.
    They can be friends with non-Muslim girls. That's still integrating right? :yes:
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    (Original post by Mona-S)
    They can be friends with non-Muslim girls. That's still integrating right? :yes:
    Yes, and that's a postive. It just saddens me that some people choose or are forced (due to social pressure) to adhere to these rules. It is completly in contrast to the way I was brought up, I suppose that's why it is hard to comprehend.
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    They're usually fairly straightforward in theory, but when you come to actually solving the difficult ones there's often tricks that take a while to come up with with or the integration descends into a mess of algebra. Or there's no closed form of the integral.
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    (Original post by Tyreke)
    Yes, and that's a postive. It just saddens me that some people choose or are forced (due to social pressure) to adhere to these rules. It is completly in contrast to the way I was brought up, I suppose that's why it is hard to comprehend.
    I understand what you mean. Sometimes, I do think like you even though I am a Muslim girl. I use to get looks before when hanging out or laughing with guy friends, but I didn't really care because my parents know and they see nothing wrong with it.
    I also have a Niqabi friend who also talks to guys in university but doesn't form the extra friendship and everyone talks to her, even the non-Muslim guys (mainly because she helps us with work haha).
    Actually I was talking to one of my guy friends last time and he told me he didn't understand a topic, I told him to ask my niqabi friend, and he said I don't think she'll want to talk to me because am a guy. I told her this and she found it ridiculous that he thought that.
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    This one's a bit surprising.
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    Was totally expecting a bomb ass integration Q ...

    (Original post by Zacken)
    \displaystyle 

\begin{equation*} \int \text{muslim}^{n} \, \mathrm{d}\, \text{muslim} = \frac{\text{muslim}^{n+1}}{n+1} + \mathcal{C} \quad \quad \, (n \neq -1) \end{equation*}
    :rofl:
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    (Original post by Des_Lumières)
    Yes, the average time take for groups of people from other cultures to integrate into UK society is 125 years. The are many similarities between the family structures in muslim majority countries and the UK so these various cultures are far from incompatible. These things take time but social mechanics allow it to be totally possible for very many people - leading to definitive integration of future generations. No amount of media trash can interfere with how societies actually work.
    There are a lot of variables such as size of group and dispersion. The culture is also important. Indian and Chinese cultures integrate a fair bit better for example. They can often integrate within years although all cultures will be set back by heavy clustering and being surrounded by other groups that are not native.

    Islam has a lot of variables against it. It forms clusters, you have a large influx of people. Faith schools rising. The culture is resistant to other cultures. Enclosed communities of Muslims could go for hundreds of years and remain a fair way behind. In 125 years, the might be a Muslim majority in this country.

    UK family structure is completely different to Islam.

    http://www.dimensionsofculture.com/2...mily-dynamics/
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    (Original post by Mona-S)
    I understand what you mean. Sometimes, I do think like you even though I am a Muslim girl. I use to get looks before when hanging out or laughing with guy friends, but I didn't really care because my parents know and they see nothing wrong with it.
    I also have a Niqabi friend who also talks to guys in university but doesn't form the extra friendship and everyone talks to her, even the non-Muslim guys (mainly because she helps us with work haha).
    Actually I was talking to one of my guy friends last time and he told me he didn't understand a topic, I told him to ask my niqabi friend, and he said I don't think she'll want to talk to me because am a guy. I told her this and she found it ridiculous that he thought that.
    I'm happy to hear that not everyone adopts the stance that a number of those have in that thread. From reading that thread maybe you can understand why I was slightly concerned? It still saddens me that some people think that way but I'm glad you informed me that many people don't agree with that
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    (Original post by MrControversial)

    UK family structure is completely different to Islam.

    http://www.dimensionsofculture.com/2...mily-dynamics/
    You raise many interesting points, all worthy of consideration.

    In terms of the family systems, both have nuclear structures (the heaviest variable here), and both feature low levels of equality in inheritance patterns (the second key aspect of family structures according to the established sociological model). These are comparable family systems, which differ on one key point: native family systems in much of the UK are strictly exogamic - whereas in many muslim societies relatively high levels of endogamy are present.

    In order for these various groups to live in integrated harmony, these structural essentials must come to correspond. Therefore, compromise must be reached on the third point of mariage within or outwith the family group. It is foreseeable that high levels of inter-mariage will be reached (the sociological litmus test for integration) within the short period of time to which I referred. This will be owing to the structural sociological comparability of these group. The surface differences are superficial - it is the three points raised above that count here.

    Almost all other divergences of culture are permissible: the one key requirement for integration of groups from various muslim societies in the UK in a compliance with the demand for exogamic mariage. This will no doubt take place over several generations. We are already seeing it begin to take place, which in my opinion is wonderful. These natural shirts are part of the beauty of human societies for me - one of the things that compels me to continue work within the social sciences.
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    Endogamy and excessive rates of first cousin marriage are a big problem for Islam. Chances are that a non-Muslim wont be welcome into a Muslim household, conversion is a given when it comes to Muslim girls. I am not sure what the attrition rate is for people leaving Islam but it appears moderate at best in my observations and I've not seen so many women who appear to have left it. However a few things might skew that such as the huge influx of Muslims into the UK. Our culture of kicking the children out of the home once they finish education and become adults so to be independent so they don't need the approval of their parents. Our culture strongly believes in that families should break apart as they grow out where as Islamic familes stick together. Disownership, strangely is the norm, although we still practice inheritance. I don't see this happening as much in Islamic families. In those countries, you don't have or need socialism, a security blanket, etc because that's what your family is for. Endogamy is part of it but there are entire other sides to Islam as well as human culture in general that Islam tends to be popular around which start to come out in the open when too many come here too quickly so that they can't be westernised (an example, in London we've seen the population double in a decade):

    https://www.quora.com/As-a-Muslim-ho...nts-permission

    http://www.theguardian.com/global/20...n-crisis-faith

    I do not agree that Islam has a consistent nuclear family structure, at least not at a level comparable to the west:

    http://islamicencyclopedia.org/publi...cDetail/id/279

    However I would agree that Islamic family structures become more nuclear over here. Despite some impact from our culture and systems of society I am surrounded by them and when it comes to family, their own, they are tight.
 
 
 
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