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    (Original post by Twinpeaks)
    I find it absolutely hilarious when people blame Hitler on socialism. Or use Hitler to demonise socialism. Every other country which flourishes under socialism, and because one mad man ruled under the guise of socialism, you think that discredits the entire poltiical system. Such sound logic there.
    You find being oppressed hilarious then, Socalism is by very definition State Slavery.
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    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm

    https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Nazis-...t-wing-parties
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    Boris is really doing down his chances of being Prime Minister, with all the **** he is spouting during this referendum campaign.
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    Godwin's law irl

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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    Boris is really doing down his chances of being Prime Minister, with all the **** he is spouting during this referendum campaign.
    Worked for Trump.
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    (Original post by Twinpeaks)
    I find it absolutely hilarious when people blame Hitler on socialism. Or use Hitler to demonise socialism. Every other country which flourishes under socialism, and because one mad man ruled under the guise of socialism, you think that discredits the entire poltiical system. Such sound logic there.
    I don't think its people necessarily blaming Hitler's actions on socialism; it's just pointing out the fact he was socialist, which some silly lefties seem to find it hard to wraptheir heads around.
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    Of course he was a socialist. The economic policies of even the BNP are pretty good too.

    The stuff we hate him for is the social stuff. You may very well decide to be national socialists and only provide for people in your country, but it's only when you conflate citizenship with some crazy nativist myth about how your race is superior that things get messy.

    The reason for this argument is that on the economic scale we call socialism left wing and capitalism right wing; socially we also tend to call authoritarianism right wing and libertarianism left wing, wrongly.

    This is also how social conservatives can call Cameron, a prime minister whose economics are possibly even more right wing that Thatcher's, left wing. He is just that on the social side.
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    (Original post by MildredMalone)
    I don't think its people necessarily blaming Hitler's actions on socialism; it's just pointing out the fact he was socialist, which some silly lefties seem to find it hard to wraptheir heads around.

    Well now you've mentioned it. Just because someone says they are socialist doesn't mean they are. Hitler was quite clearly fascist, actions speak louder than words.

    If you believe that Hilter was socialist because he said so, then you must also believe that the North Korea is democratic because Kim Jong Un terms it "The Democratic Peoples' Republic of Korea".
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    Does this mean the leave campagin automaticaly lose on Godwins law? Hell of a way to loose a referendum!.
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    godwins law is applied to the eu debate
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    I don't think there's any doubt that the EU would love to form a superstate so I don't think BJ is wrong on that aspect.
    However an EU superstate would look very different to what the Nazis wanted to it's irresponsible at best & fear mongering at worst to suggest that they'd be similar.
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    (Original post by Twinpeaks)
    Well now you've mentioned it. Just because someone says they are socialist doesn't mean they are. Hitler was quite clearly fascist, actions speak louder than words.

    If you believe that Hilter was socialist because he said so, then you must also believe that the North Korea is democratic because Kim Jong Un terms it "The Democratic Peoples' Republic of Korea".
    Socialism and Facism aren't mutually exclusive.

    It istoo obvious, too easily demonstrable that fascism and communism are not twoopposites, but two rival gangs fighting over the same territory—that both arevariants of statism, based on the collectivist principle that man is therightless slave of the state—that both are socialistic, in theory, inpractice, and in the explicit statements of their leaders—that under bothsystems, the poor are enslaved and the rich are expropriated in favor of aruling clique—that fascism is not the product of the political “right,” but ofthe “left”—that the basic issue is not “rich versus poor,” but man versus thestate, or: individual rights versus totalitarian government—which means:capitalism versus socialism.
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    its true they want a german controlled superstate. they flex their economic muscle and the whole of europe has to follow. france shud get the franc back and lira for portugal. what would your grandfathers say. would they have fought to have diktats from brussels???
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    (Original post by Truth2u)
    Of course Hitler was left wing. Are you REALLY this thick?.

    N.A.Z.I = National Socialist German Workers' Party
    Uhuh. And there is a LOVELY democratic nation called the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea and another named the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

    Normally pollitical entities that need to put their purpose in their title are rather far removed from that title . Shall we actually examine the Nazi's policies instead of being retarded?
    -Nuremberg laws and the whole jew thing; Not even touching this as its not relevant to the discussion.

    -Increased military spending; Hitlers campaign was actually very similar to Donald Trumps today, his parties plan was to "Return glory to Germany" and "Make Germany a great empire once again", this was in relation to Germanys treatment after WW1 during the campaign the party was deliberately vague as to how they where going to do this but one of the Nazi's primary policies was to rebuild the German army. Now in modern pollitics increased militarisation has been firmly in the right camp such as the American GoP and our UKIP (seriously the amount they want to spend on our military in exchange for public services is scary) & conservative parties.

    -Business subsidies; later these where related to the war effort but in the early 30s Germany was a mess with a large amount of people out of work, Nazi's plan for this was to kick start the economy through heavy subsidies of Germanys failing industries. These subsidies where included but not limited too: kickstarting the German automotive industry again, investment into cruise and holiday companies to increase moral (The Nazi's actually set up a department specificly made to deal with this subsidies called the Kraft durch Freude) Similar to the Tory bank bail outs of a few years back, again a policy which would not be supported by much of the economic left today.

    -In the late 30s just prior to the war there was many inroads by the SS into the government including them taking over several departments, one of which was the Volksdeutsche Mittelstelle which was in charge of managing German immigration and emigration of German citizens. The Nazi's started to spy on their own citizens overseas and began to deny re-entry, imprison or 'eliminate' German nationals who where thought to be dissident to the state. This policy is essentially a more extremist version of what the US do today with the (again widely opposed by the left) security procedures enacted via the NSA & is the reason why the American prison population is by far the highest in the world. Theresa May (A right wing Tory politician) seems intent with bringing these US style policies to the UK, again with wide opposition from the libertarian and the left.

    -'Foward through sacrifice'; was a very widely adopted policy of the Nazi's. Its actually one of the reasons Germany has such advanced infrastructure today. This policy was to ignore humanitarian purposes in exchange for increasing Germanys infrastructure, such as relocating villages to build straighter roads. Or removing farmers in order to access mines and whatnot. Again this policy is one pushed, somewhat unsuccefully by the Conservative right today with the likes of forced buyouts and selling peoples mineral rights from under them to private interests.

    -The only big 'socialist' policy that the Nazi's enacted was setting the groundwork for the German welfare state via a stamp system. However every big country in Europe was doing that throughout the 30s 40s and 50s as it was becoming pretty much the norm.
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    (Original post by CAElite)
    Uhuh. And there is a LOVELY democratic nation called the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea and another named the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

    Normally pollitical entities that need to put their purpose in their title are rather far removed from that title . Shall we actually examine the Nazi's policies instead of being retarded?
    -Nuremberg laws and the whole jew thing; Not even touching this as its not relevant to the discussion.

    -Increased military spending; Hitlers campaign was actually very similar to Donald Trumps today, his parties plan was to "Return glory to Germany" and "Make Germany a great empire once again", this was in relation to Germanys treatment after WW1 during the campaign the party was deliberately vague as to how they where going to do this but one of the Nazi's primary policies was to rebuild the German army. Now in modern pollitics increased militarisation has been firmly in the right camp such as the American GoP and our UKIP (seriously the amount they want to spend on our military in exchange for public services is scary) & conservative parties.

    -Business subsidies; later these where related to the war effort but in the early 30s Germany was a mess with a large amount of people out of work, Nazi's plan for this was to kick start the economy through heavy subsidies of Germanys failing industries. These subsidies where included but not limited too: kickstarting the German automotive industry again, investment into cruise and holiday companies to increase moral (The Nazi's actually set up a department specificly made to deal with this subsidies called the Kraft durch Freude) Similar to the Tory bank bail outs of a few years back, again a policy which would not be supported by much of the economic left today.

    -In the late 30s just prior to the war there was many inroads by the SS into the government including them taking over several departments, one of which was the Volksdeutsche Mittelstelle which was in charge of managing German immigration and emigration of German citizens. The Nazi's started to spy on their own citizens overseas and began to deny re-entry, imprison or 'eliminate' German nationals who where thought to be dissident to the state. This policy is essentially a more extremist version of what the US do today with the (again widely opposed by the left) security procedures enacted via the NSA & is the reason why the American prison population is by far the highest in the world. Theresa May (A right wing Tory politician) seems intent with bringing these US style policies to the UK, again with wide opposition from the libertarian and the left.

    -'Foward through sacrifice'; was a very widely adopted policy of the Nazi's. Its actually one of the reasons Germany has such advanced infrastructure today. This policy was to ignore humanitarian purposes in exchange for increasing Germanys infrastructure, such as relocating villages to build straighter roads. Or removing farmers in order to access mines and whatnot. Again this policy is one pushed, somewhat unsuccefully by the Conservative right today with the likes of forced buyouts and selling peoples mineral rights from under them to private interests.

    -The only big 'socialist' policy that the Nazi's enacted was setting the groundwork for the German welfare state via a stamp system. However every big country in Europe was doing that throughout the 30s 40s and 50s as it was becoming pretty much the norm.

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    (Original post by N-R-G)
    No, Hitler was a right wing extremist. Everyone knows that.
    Considering he was an open socialist, I completely disagree.
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    (Original post by Truth2u)
    I can find a *****y infographic too



    Mine even has blue on it! You guys like blue!

    Anyway since you obviously didnt bother to read my post my point was many economically left leaning countries in the past have enacted many radical right (totalitarian) social policies. Socialism as an economic model works just its wide adoption occasionally attracts loonies.
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    (Original post by CAElite)
    I can find a *****y infographic too



    Mine even has blue on it! You guys like blue!
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    (Original post by CAElite)
    I can find a *****y infographic too



    Mine even has blue on it! You guys like blue!

    Anyway since you obviously didnt bother to read my post my point was many economically left leaning countries in the past have enacted many radical right (totalitarian) social policies. Socialism as an economic model works just its wide adoption occasionally attracts loonies.

 
 
 
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