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    (Original post by sweeneyrod)
    Not it doesn't at all. My (really quite simple) point is that if you want patriots, then they exist already. Or do you have a good example of some "true patriots" that you approve of? For that matter, do you have any concrete examples of anything you're talking about, or are you just engaging in worthless pseudo-intellectual auto-stimulation?
    Do you have any self-awareness?- you don't make a single concrete point and accuse me of the same. Yes, I do have concrete examples. The French and American revolutions, their orchestraters and supporters, and the modern day equivalents. We still have unfinished business. But if not that, just some examples of the top of my head, of what I don't want-some people not like the following would be good(and it's not exactly hard to find ****edupness, we have a real treasure trove) ; police forces that didn't spend surveillance money on the family of murder victims. People who didn't make us the most surveilled state in the advanced world. People who weren't a pack of sexual perverts and nonces who get away with it. People who were not a psychically(and sometimes physically) inbred clique of people from a tiny minority of schools in this country who no-one can come in and out of. People who did not want secret courts, detention with out trial, the right to sequester your homes, and closing down the right to protest, salami slicing freedom of speech and our liberties. Like I say, I'm not pro-immigration, it's more the idiots who **** it off in a certain way whilst being so unaware of anything else that's deeply wrong, and repeatedly supporting(and voting for) the very same economic system(as they sneer at supposed commies/reds/socialists/whatever sky/bbs has told them to think this week)that positively THRIVES on this immigration.
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    :rofl:

    I am not entirely sure what you are getting at OP, you are saying the original English practice the very things the immigrants are supposed to be guilty of? Yes, indeed, I don't think we need to go all the way invoking Nietzsche to do this, also i'm not a great fan of his.
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    (Original post by sweeneyrod)
    pseudo-intellectual auto-stimulation?
    Fancy words again, oh so sophisticated. Hmm, we could do that all day. let's just resort to the pathetic, 'someones making an argument I don't like or I haven't heard of a word', so it must be clever dickery.

    That's the difference. I may disagree with you my friend, but I'm not so pathetically blinkered and insecure that I assume your only reason for making an argument would be clever dickery if I ever had to go for a thesarus.

    Someone doesn't like living like a brainwashed sheep and wants to question anything, out of political frustration of being surrounded by the wisdom of the pompous home counties Tory and public schooled, so it must be pretense. You dicks would think like that. It's totally predictable.
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    (Original post by DanteTheDoorKnob)
    :rofl:

    I am not entirely sure what you are getting at OP, you are saying the original English practice the very things the immigrants are supposed to be guilty of? Yes, indeed, I don't think we need to go all the way invoking Nietzsche to do this, also i'm not a great fan of his.
    I am. Who else should we evoke? You need someone foreign and respected to point out the English are a bunch of hypocrites who are arrogant and blinkered and who loads round the world loathe.
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    a country can only put up with so much change until it is destroyed.

    it's common sense. Homogeneous England is dead due to multiculturalism, that is a crime in my opinion. I say we begin flooding all muslims nations with jews, african and other foreigners.

    Nar, that would be called colonialism instead of multiculturalism
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    I am. Who else should we evoke? You need someone foreign and respected to point out the English are a bunch of hypocrites who are arrogant and blinkered and who loads round the world loathe.
    If we're going to speak in such national terms, then perhaps you could start with a man from a culture which wasn't worldwide known for causing the biggest tragedy of the last century? I think you are guilty of the very things you say, this is by no means unique to the English.
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    You seem like a paradoxical situation.
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    a country can only put up with so much change until it is destroyed.

    it's common sense. Homogeneous England is dead due to multiculturalism, that is a crime in my opinion. I say we begin flooding all muslims nations with jews, african and other foreigners.

    Nar, that would be called colonialism instead of multiculturalism
    My thread wasn't about this trend, I've stated I'm not for mass immigration, it's more the nature of the people who object, the way they do it, and how they are so blind
    a)To other chronic problems with this country which there is seemingly a wall around questioning
    b)The fact that the economics they (anti-socialists/leftist, believers in established wisdom) support are inextricably linked to the support for mass immigration and cheap labour.

    They are complaining about a state of affairs brought on by the establishment (by way of societal structures)they support and economics they support. The same types always make these moral denouncements, further down the socio-economic ladder, but equally Tory types, about scummy behaviour and then act like complete ***** to people.

    'Divide and conquer' is a predictable technique of elites and it has been masterfully manipulated into these sheep, pitting them against everything, their responses and the target of their anger so predictable, and want they don't question or care about so predictable, holding the powerful firmly in their place, while the rest of our society IS radically changed, the core remains and tightens their grip, social breakdown being caused by supposedly benevolent forces all the while. Creepy.
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    (Original post by DanteTheDoorKnob)
    If we're going to speak in such national terms, then perhaps you could start with a man from a culture which wasn't worldwide known for causing the biggest tragedy of the last century? I think you are guilty of the very things you say, this is by no means unique to the English.
    That's rubbish. I'm talking about a philosopher I like. What does the country he comes from matter? Hitler liked Dogs, and listened to Wagner, are we going to denounce them as inherently wrong too? Let's not get into guilt by association, I judge his words, not the fact some Nazis' read his work. I mean no-one would make that point about the Qu'ran and terrorism.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    That's rubbish. I'm talking about a philosopher I like. What does the country he comes from matter? Hitler liked Dogs, and listened to Wagner, are we going to denounce them as inherently wrong too? Let's not get into guilt by association, I judge his words, not the fact some Nazis' read his work. I mean no-one would make that point about the Qu'ran and terrorism.
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    You're judging the whole of England by the actions of a few people, I reserve the right to do the same to other cultures to prove how wrong that argument is.

    Also, national socialism was really just a continuation of Prussian ideals with newer industry...
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    Do you have any self-awareness?- you don't make a single concrete point and accuse me of the same. Yes, I do have concrete examples. The French and American revolutions, their orchestraters and supporters, and the modern day equivalents. We still have unfinished business. But if not that, just some examples of the top of my head, of what I don't want-some people not like the following would be good(and it's not exactly hard to find ****edupness, we have a real treasure trove) ; police forces that didn't spend surveillance money on the family of murder victims. People who didn't make us the most surveilled state in the advanced world. People who weren't a pack of sexual perverts and nonces who get away with it. People who were not a psychically(and sometimes physically) inbred clique of people from a tiny minority of schools in this country who no-one can come in and out of. People who did not want secret courts, detention with out trial, the right to sequester your homes, and closing down the right to protest, salami slicing freedom of speech and our liberties. Like I say, I'm not pro-immigration, it's more the idiots who **** it off in a certain way whilst being so unaware of anything else that's deeply wrong, and repeatedly supporting(and voting for) the very same economic system(as they sneer at supposed commies/reds/socialists/whatever sky/bbs has told them to think this week)that positively THRIVES on this immigration.
    Paragraphs, have you heard of them? I don't need to have concrete examples, because I'm not trying to persuade anyone to agree with my political beliefs.
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    (Original post by sweeneyrod)
    Paragraphs, have you heard of them? I don't need to have concrete examples, because I'm not trying to persuade anyone to agree with my political beliefs.
    Your losing so, you quibble. Why shouldn't you have to justify conservatism, when everything so clearly needs rehaul? It may not come overnight by the way, but it's coming. They've pushed their luck to much and tried to bleed this country dry, we will leave the EU and then work over the future decades to reunify our country and bring it back to the people. You won't read my argument,s because despite just blindly claiming I don't have any, and implying that you can just be regarded victor of this argument, by denouncing it all as rubbish and refusing to read it, you know I have them. This countries disasterous predicament laid bare, which is actually only partially to do with immigration. And immigration is to do with the establishment-immigration is a factor to blame, as distinct from immigrants.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    Your losing so, you quibble. Why shouldn't you have to justify conservatism, when everything so clearly needs rehaul? It may not come overnight by the way, but it's coming. They've pushed their luck to much and tried to bleed this country dry, we will leave the EU and then work over the future decades to reunify our country and bring it back to the people.
    Interesting that you presume I want to justify conservatism (I don't).
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    For a few reasons. One is that it acts as a deflection, from the structural issues of this country and the problem with establishment, which is never ever questioned. Two is because we colonized the world, exploited the resources, built wealth, which of course largely went to one sub-sector, then of course got migrants, it started then, and have continued to promote some of the most rigid class distinctions on the planet, the most in truth, if it's not just by money, and have wrecked social mobility even when we had a chance at it and it was producing great talent(grammar schools). Then, if you read the likes of the mail's comments page, we act genuinely aghast that our society cannot find any solidarity to apparently 'preserve our own culture'. Some of them sound misty eyed. I hate this lachrymose sentimentality, there's something about it that grates like hell, especially given what we have always really been like, one-upmanship, backstabbing, hypocrisy, class obsession, claiming to be in the public interest but self-interested, Looking to look down continuously and denounce, (Hillsborough anyone) whilst looking to kiss arse to the right classes, and just being generally vile and smug. How can this unquestioning *****yness and refusal to question anything or take it's head out of it's pompous arse, so devoid of solidarity and so hypocritical(and that's not just me, the world says it, including the great man Nietzsche)now be getting all self-righteous and sentimental about preserving something, and as for talk about morals they should take a look in the mirror, I'm sure if all the migrants left and we went back to what we were it would be just a lovely atmosphere wouldn't it? The foreigners and pockets of non-conservative thinking, are in many cases the only thing to make it bearable. And yeah I know you can get that in London.
    Have you considered using paragraphs?

    I tried to read your post but gave up not far in as it was so incoherent, breathless and ranty.

    If you organised your posts better in future you might get more interesting responses. I find the subject matter worthy of consideration, but the way you present your thoughts irreversibly off putting.

    Assuming you do have any serious thoughts on the matter. That seems debateable...
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    (Original post by generallee)
    Have you considered using paragraphs?

    I tried to read your post but gave up not far in as it was so incoherent, breathless and ranty.

    If you organised your posts better in future you might get more interesting responses. I find the subject matter worthy of consideration, but the way you present your thoughts irreversibly off putting.

    Assuming you do have any serious thoughts on the matter. That seems debateable...
    Can't work it out either. Something about the English and Tories being scum and immigrants being perfect little angels.
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    (Original post by DanteTheDoorKnob)
    You're judging the whole of England by the actions of a few people, I reserve the right to do the same to other cultures to prove how wrong that argument is.

    Also, national socialism was really just a continuation of Prussian ideals with newer industry...
    I'm sure the 2nd bit's accurate, it's tangential though. completely.
    I'm not saying the whole of England id like anything, I'm talking about a group of people I've observed, as evidenced by the thread title. It's decent numbers, course I can;t say the proportion, but it's a uniquely English way of romanticising something whilst having no real solidarity and humanity, and being totally cynical, and blinkered to some of the total sickness independent of immigration, something I find a very odd mindset, indicative of a hollowed out and neurotic, even I'd go as far as to say brainwashed and brutalized people.

    I'm not getting your 'reflection' point about Neitzsche at all, I judge a writer or thinker on what they write, I don't judge them on some nutcases that happened to be homicidal maniacs who read one of their books. Surely you concede that is spurious? You may not agree with me but the two are not comparable or equivalent.
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    (Original post by DanteTheDoorKnob)
    Can't work it out either. Something about the English and Tories being scum and immigrants being perfect little angels.
    Oh god, you are now sounding suspiciously like a mailite. How many times do I have to say I don't like mass immigration, I support controlled immigration and EU exit. You've clearly just wilfully ignored everything I've written.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    I I like our pagan culture, I could argue it was illegitamately displaced by Romans and Christianity, but what's one is done, cultures evolve. I'm not even for mass immigration, which I think will be the knee jerk assumption of anyone who reads this, it's more the moral hypocrisy of people who denounce the morals of immigrants whilst being ***** themselves, and are completely incurious about anything else that's wrong with our country, it always comes down to the sample dumb analysis.

    (bold) But they don't that's my point, and people have no curiosity about it and are totally conservative regarding it.
    Then you are validating the immigration changes culture argument. I happen not to want to return to Iceni culture either but the material facts are as presented.

    Its not hypocrisy to criticise one thing but not the other, immigration is very ground level for a lot of people. Especially if you're a londoner or live in the more northern cities like machester or birmingham (not particularly northern but bear with me here) - the mass increase has very suddenly changed your immediacy and people are picking up on it due to the stark effects. Moral denouncement is inevitable with meeting cultures, we dont like certain things they adhere to and vice versa. If people didn't believe their morals to be sound and superior to others then they wouldn't hold that set of moralistic views as it would profess inferiority of opinion.

    To quote game of thrones 'the eloquent are wrong quite as often, if not more so, than the foolish'. Whatever these people are themselves (it censored it so I'll work on the presumption of any insulting word will suffice) they may still be right in their opinion and to dismiss it ad hominem is foolish. Simply because they do not focus on some items does not invalidate their analysis of all and my experience such analyses are far from identical. As for recognising greater problems or i suppose other problems is a more appropriate terminology, this is in so small part due to subtle ways in which these changes manifest - for example the government passed porn laws basically independent of public consultation, they called to an end for FOI and quietly buried that when it failed, have used the NSA to spy on people in a way that would be illegal were they to do it directly, leaned on the police to cover up Rotherham, Hillsborough and paedophiles in high circles, our governments are not perfect by any stretch. But all these problems were shied by the media, they dont generate the clicks because people don't care. Even news about immigrants and immigration is one and done. Anger is the strongest emotion but also the quickest to fade and papers use this, printing the equivalent of clickbait and trying to keep people permanently shocked and surprised to sell copies - real deep investigative or consideration based journalism died when the peoples want for tidbits and celebrity news outran their concern for the deeper issues. Society is ever more shallow and we reap what we sow in that regard.
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    (Original post by sweeneyrod)
    Interesting that you presume I want to justify conservatism (I don't).
    The preserving of the current status quo, social and economic liberalism, but along with clear class (and what should be antiquated) distinctions and lack of social mobility and a core of power and establishment that is the same people? Could you really tell me you're against that?
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    (Original post by generallee)
    Assuming you do have any serious thoughts on the matter. That seems debateable...
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