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  • View Poll Results: Should Elsa have a prince/princess?
    Elsa should have a princess
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    Elsa should stay single
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    It's stupid for several reasons, the main one being that Disney has two audiences. The obvious audience is the children, the less obvious one is the parents, the content needs to be such that the parents will still let their children see it. Knowing this Disney (and other producers) are quite clever in that messages are there, they just aren't shouting in people's faces as much as those not thinking too hard want them to.
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    (Original post by z33)
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    poor innocent children
    can't have them seeing this:

    their
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    innocence
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    ruined
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    Exactly! It largely comes down to religious homophobia, particularly American conservatives who would call homosexuality a 'sexual perversion', when all it would be is a woman kissing a woman instead of a man kissing a woman (something that is in just about all Disney films), it's not like Disney are suddenly going to go pornographic, it would be exactly the same as any other Disney love story, just with 2 women rather than the 'traditional' relationship, how could that ruin children's innocence?

    If anything it might help them by realising that it's okay to be attracted to the same sex, rather than spend their childhood sheltered by their conservative parents thinking there's something wrong with them and probably suffering mentally as a consequence. I recently watched various coming out stories on youtube and one theme that was persistent in just about every story was the shame they felt as a child because they were afraid of being themselves, one lady had such a sheltered childhood she didn't even know being gay was a thing until her teen years and she saw a lesbian relationship in a drama, and suffered mentally as a result keeping it a secret because she thought there was something wrong with her when all her friends were going out with boys, and her parents didn't react well when she came out to them.

    So many people still seem to be against homosexuality being normalised, but kids like her wouldn't have to suffer in silence and shame throughout their childhood if there were things like lgbt relationships in the media to show them that there's nothing wrong with them. So as far as I'm concerned, a gay relationship in a Disney film can only be a good thing, so long as it's done for the right reasons, rather than just as a political gimmick.
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    (Original post by StrawbAri)
    How exactly does that make it pornographic if there's no actual pornography in the movie?
    Should have re-thought my statement.

    Anyways long story short, i highly doubt kids would go and see it.
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    'God' bless, America.
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    Disneys been taken over by Jews and they're promoting their immortality on our populations it is why the West is such a mess just ask Muslims they think we're disgusting and they are right! but I know who pushes this filth...
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    Won't it give the impression that being gay is a choice if she suddenly gets a girlfriend due to this petition. Isn't that kind of what we want to avoid? I'd rather Disney legitimately made an apparent LGBT character, if they want to make one, instead of continuing to push Frozen as some awesome progressive movie, or something... :/

    On the other hand, I really don't care much, I thought Frozen was a pretty stupid movie with stupid characters to match, so I won't make a big deal over this, they can do what they want -_-
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    I know that if I'd seen LGBT representation in the stuff I watched as a child I'd have been much more comfortable a few years ago when I started questioning my sexuality. The first time I thought I might seriously be attracted to girls I cried because my parents aren't exactly tolerant. I'm much more accepting of it now, but honestly I wish I'd had the exposure to representation of girls like me so that I at least knew that what I was feeling was okay. It's through the media that we can attempt to normalise non-straight relationships and make it easier for children to question their sexualities.

    No, it probably isn't going to happen because, as someone rightly pointed out, Disney is too concerned with money and the reception of their films, and America isn't exactly a shining example of liberalism. BUT I'm always going to advocate for greater LGBT+ representation and I hope that one day society is tolerant enough for companies like Disney to be representative without prompting :grin:
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    (Original post by idontknowmedoyou)
    I think it would be great for kids who think they are gay/lesbian at a young age as it will make them understand that what they are feeling is normal, it would be great for the LGBT+ community. However I don't think disney will do it because they care about money and homophobes will hate it and complain
    Think they're gay or actually gay? Majority of children are straight. Placing thoughts into children heads as young as three causes confusion. You know what would be great for the LGBT community? If they encouraged LGBT members to be movie directors, play writers, and authors to make gay characters instead of demanding innocent characters who teach family values directed to toddlers, and newborns, preteens to become gay to fit their own demands when majority of movie goers don't want it.

    Can you imagine straight people demanding a gay movie become straight to fit their demands while majority of the gay movie watchers don't want straight characters? Now that would be an issue wouldn't it?
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    Why is it a bad idea? If we embrace diversity of other cultures why can't we embrace the LGB community? Give Elva a girlfriend!!
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    (Original post by SmileyVibe)
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    Think they're gay or actually gay? Majority of children are straight. Placing thoughts into children heads as young as three causes confusion. You know what would be great for the LGBT community? If they encouraged LGBT members to be movie directors, play writers, and authors to make gay characters instead of demanding innocent characters who teach family values directed to toddlers, and newborns, preteens to become gay to fit their own demands when majority of movie goers don't want it.

    Can you imagine straight people demanding a gay movie become straight to fit their demands while majority of the gay movie watchers don't want straight characters? Now that would be an issue wouldn't it?
    If a child only sees straight people their whole life then they will think that is the norm and maybe they will think they are straight when they are not and may feel weird if they are gay. Why not just have straight and gay people represented? This would be the only movie Disney have ever done with a non straight character so how would that be a bad thing? What your saying makes no sense because it happens all the time when gay people think they are straight? We could just have a representation of both which would be fair and would make children feel better if they are gay.
    Also you said it's a 'straight' movie? Movies don't have a sexuality in case you didn't know. And I think tons of straight people would think this would be a good idea too, I'm not gay and I think it would be great! You also said gay people don't want straight characters? I don't think they hate straight characters in movies and stuff? Literally everything you're saying doesn't make sense.
    I just think why have all characters be straight when they could represent the gay community also?
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    Personally, I was happy with a Disney protagonist finally not having a love interest, and still being badass. But I guess that's just me.

    What about all the asexual kids who already identify with Elsa? Won't they be marginalised?
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    ...and Cartoon Network's just here like:



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    ...and Cartoon Network's just here like:



    And this one :rofl: :
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    (Original post by CoolCavy)
    And this one :rofl: :
    Totally Spies! Loved that show!
    OMFG I don't remember that happening?! :rofl:
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    Totally Spies! Loved that show!
    OMFG I don't remember that happening?! :rofl:
    Yeeessss :five:
    and that was cos it happened in season 6, by which time most normal people had stopped watching it :rofl:
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    I was more interested in her discovery then the gay agenda. It honestly wasn't that obvious to begin with. Only looked at the film that way because people were talking about her being a gay symbol
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    Yeah...no.
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    (Original post by idontknowmedoyou)
    If a child only sees straight people their whole life then they will think that is the norm and maybe they will think they are straight when they are not and may feel weird if they are gay. Why not just have straight and gay people represented? This would be the only movie Disney have ever done with a non straight character so how would that be a bad thing? What your saying makes no sense because it happens all the time when gay people think they are straight? We could just have a representation of both which would be fair and would make children feel better if they are gay.
    Also you said it's a 'straight' movie? Movies don't have a sexuality in case you didn't know. And I think tons of straight people would think this would be a good idea too, I'm not gay and I think it would be great! You also said gay people don't want straight characters? I don't think they hate straight characters in movies and stuff? Literally everything you're saying doesn't make sense.
    I just think why have all characters be straight when they could represent the gay community also?
    I thought homosexuality was an attraction. You are or you aren't. Now placing thoughts in a child head will confuse them or even give them delusion that they identify as gay.

    Disney is marketed toward toddlers, and preteens and the fact is majority of them are straight. A small percentage of the population and less than five percentage of movie goers are gay. Disney is all about teaching positive life lessons and family values. If anything, the whole Elsa being gay is done to prove how non "homophobic" Disney is and to promote homosexuality to children to please the LGBT. Does the fact that majority of parents don't want their children watching Elsa kiss another girl and having to explain them the reason not matter?

    I have no problem with the LGBT marketing an adult tv show to gay teens, and adults but when children are thrown into it and used an excuse for political reasons, people have a problem with that. Let takes a popular tv show like Queer as Folk. Let's say people wrote letters demanding all three gay leads to become straight, then that would be a problem because majority of the people who watched it was gay and didn't want straight leads. Now that would be a problem. Yet, Disney company is marketed to children and preteens and never had a gay character because that is not the audience they intend to market to or what they want to promote. Now they're the homophobics because they go by their own rules and do not take fan requests because they're not fan fictions authors?

    What I'm getting at is, there is a difference between making gay characters and represent and forcing gay characters onto children movie for the sake of them being gay.

    Forcing gay characters into children movies and making homosexuality a topic that needs to be important and a common theme in Disney movies makes absolute sense to you but respecting the majority who doesn't want Elsa to be gay doesn't make sense to you? Ok.
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    I saw Frozen 2 being advertised in conjunction with Triumph women's lingerie on TV a few days ago. Guess that's not the only thing that rather... adult in this movie.
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    I've not actually seen the movie. Is she a lesbian in the movie, and how do you know?
 
 
 
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