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    Let's take down another one of these "facts."

    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    EU corpus juris lacks many legal safeguards e.g. habeas corpus, trial by jury, presumption of innocence, and the double jeopardy rule
    Nice Farage article. It goes without saying that he has it completely wrong.

    The corpus juris Farage is talking about isn't in use. It was a proposal written in 1997 to tackle certain fraud offences. It was basically going to set up an EU wide Serious Fraud Office. It didn't come to fruition.

    All other comments - some of which you highlighted, simply are not true.

    One of the academics who wrote the 1997 paper, a Cambridge law professor, published a response to Farage's article - which totally trashes it. Have a watch: http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/discus...ritish-justice

    Oh, by the way - the presumption of innocence exists all over the EU. In member state's constitutions, in EU treaties, conventions etc etc.

    I don't know if this is the OP's own work - or whether it was just copied and pasted from a UKIP/Brexit site? But it is very, very poorly researched.
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    (Original post by Michael3C)
    Just to clarify Davij038 that Trump isn't supporting Brexit, he just said in an interview that he thinks Britain will leave the EU.
    Hm, ok that's a fair point.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Oh the irony of the Brexit camp headed b Boris johnson and Michael Gove claiming that they are anti establishment.

    yeah, gove and Johnson may be doing it for their careers. But look at it more generally and only those challenging the establishment are prepared to speak out for brexit
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    'Eddie Izzard talks to you about the EU Referendum!' - My response

    Historically a big fan of some of his work but goodness knows what's gotten into him:mute:

    Seems to have taken it upon himself to become the mouthpiece for #ProjectFear and the status quo :erm:
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    (Original post by Michael3C)
    Just to clarify Davij038 that Trump isn't supporting Brexit, he just said in an interview that he thinks Britain will leave the EU.

    That's not clarifying since you must be talking about a different interview. He absolutely did say he thinks Britain would be better out of the EU, but (unlike Obama) said it wasn't a recommendation how to vote.

    Before you come back with sarcastic comments about listening to Trump, I don't like him much; but if he is the next president and is in favour of brexit, that can only be good for getting trade deals done
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    'Eddie Izzard talks to you about the EU Referendum!' - My response

    Historically a big fan of some of his work but goodness knows what's gotten into him:mute:

    Seems to have taken it upon himself to become the mouthpiece for #ProjectFear and the status quo :erm:
    A lot of the points in your first post have been debunked. Are you going to be defending them?

    You call Eddie Izzard a member of "project fear" but your very first post made some scaremongering type claims which just weren't true.
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    (Original post by james813)
    yeah, gove and Johnson may be doing it for their careers. But look at it more generally and only those challenging the establishment are prepared to speak out for brexit
    That's not anti establishment. Stop playing the 'little guy fighting against the system' card.
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    'Eddie Izzard talks to you about the EU Referendum!' - My response

    Historically a big fan of some of his work but goodness knows what's gotten into him:mute:

    Seems to have taken it upon himself to become the mouthpiece for #ProjectFear and the status quo :erm:
    Project fear? That's a bit rich considering the leave campaign have been complaining about the EU being Hitler and that millions of Turks will come here within months...


    Apparently pointing out very real risks counts as project fear. Guess when your parents told you to look befor crossing the road that was also project fear?
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    (Original post by james813)
    That's not clarifying since you must be talking about a different interview. He absolutely did say he thinks Britain would be better out of the EU, but (unlike Obama) said it wasn't a recommendation how to vote.

    Before you come back with sarcastic comments about listening to Trump, I don't like him much; but if he is the next president and is in favour of brexit, that can only be good for getting trade deals done
    Again, that isn't supporting something, that is giving an opinion on something.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Project fear? That's a bit rich considering the leave campaign have been complaining about the EU being Hitler and that millions of Turks will come here within months...


    Apparently pointing out very real risks counts as project fear. Guess when your parents told you to look befor crossing the road that was also project fear?
    Every day there is a new scare story. Obama says Britain will be at back of the queue for a trade deal, then it is suggested WWIII will break out and just recently I heard the Remain campaign claim it will take longer to find a cure for cancer if we leave the EU. It is just ridiculous. The world is not going to end if we leave the EU! It will be a fresh start and a chance for Britain to make something of itself again.


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    (Original post by 10001)
    Every day there is a new scare story. Obama says Britain will be at back of the queue for a trade deal, then it is suggested WWIII will break out and just recently I heard the Remain campaign claim it will take longer to find a cure for cancer if we leave the EU. It is just ridiculous. The world is not going to end if we leave the EU! It will be a fresh start and a chance for Britain to make something of itself again.


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    And every day there's a scare story from the leave campaign. The world also isn't going to end if we remain.

    Yet the leave campaign have such a victim mentality by claiming remain are project fear when they have been fearmongering just as much if not more.

    A chance for 'Britain to make something of itself'. Oh do me a favour and lay off the cringey hollow statements which in reality mean nothing. What can we 'make of ourself ' that we can't do in the EU. Go on be specific.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    And every day there's a scare story from the leave campaign.
    Now now, not's let get a tally going on who is more guilty by the numbers, who is more irresponsible for being in positions of trust (and public office) and committing these cardinal sins, and who goes to the furthest length with invalid claims, because something tells me OP is ready and waiting to shut the argument down...

    Also it's worth defending Boris here as somebody mentioned it earlier: does anybody here legitimately think he was trying to compare the EU to the Third Reich, or was it more of a historical analysis (which he is known for) simply outlining every attempt in history to gather Europe as "one" has failed. I think there was a whole host of "convenient" outrage on that one that people didn't really buy into. If people legitimately thought their was a Nazi comparison, the official remain campaign would have never EVER let the issue drop. But they couldn't play that card because frankly, it wouldn't have held up to scrutiny. If they could have, they would have.
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    (Original post by Michael3C)
    Now now, not's let get a tally going on who is more guilty by the numbers, who is more irresponsible for being in positions of trust (and public office) and committing these cardinal sins, and who goes to the furthest length with invalid claims, because something tells me OP is ready and waiting to shut the argument down...

    Also it's worth defending Boris here as somebody mentioned it earlier: does anybody here legitimately think he was trying to compare the EU to the Third Reich, or was it more of a historical analysis (which he is known for) simply outlining every attempt in history to gather Europe as "one" has failed. I think there was a whole host of "convenient" outrage on that one that people didn't really buy into. If people legitimately thought their was a Nazi comparison, the official remain campaign would have never EVER let the issue drop. But they couldn't play that card because frankly, it wouldn't have held up to scrutiny. If they could have, they would have.
    Why even bring up Hitler other than to stir feelings of fear? Hitler didn't want to 'gather europe', he wanted one German state. It was Godwin's law and his pathetic supporters lapped it up.
    The leave camp have been scaremongering as much if not more than remain.

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    (Original post by 10001)
    Every day there is a new scare story. Obama says Britain will be at back of the queue for a trade deal, then it is suggested WWIII will break out and just recently I heard the Remain campaign claim it will take longer to find a cure for cancer if we leave the EU. It is just ridiculous. The world is not going to end if we leave the EU! It will be a fresh start and a chance for Britain to make something of itself again.
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    Of course the world won't end.

    But the man who knows a lot about America (the President of America) thinks that it'll take a while for the UK to reach a trade deal with them. So he said so. What was supposed to happen? The story suppressed?

    Then some people who know a lot about science and medical research said that they think funding would be affected. And this funding helps things like the battle against nasty illnesses. Now these people know more than you and I on the matter. So, again, what was supposed to happen? The story covered up?

    It's the same with the Bank of England and the IMF. They, in their expert opinion, think that leaving the EU will be bad for the UK.

    Those who want to leave the EU will just have to accept that the majority of senior people in very important positions think it would be better for the UK to remain. It is important those facts are reported because it affects everyone living in the UK. It isn't scaremongering - it is reporting the facts.

    Scaremongering is reporting lies. Like the OP has done.

    (Original post by Michael3C)
    Also it's worth defending Boris here as somebody mentioned it earlier
    Boris Johnson is a joke. A while back he said: "Leaving the EU will be globally interpreted as a narrow, xenophobic, backward-looking thing to do."

    Then fairly recently he was going around saying he wasn't an 'Outer'. Now all of a sudden he's changed tack.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Why even bring up Hitler other than to stir feelings of fear? Hitler didn't want to 'gather europe', he wanted one German state.
    And the quote from him was about both having a desire for a "powerful super state". The intention of what they do with said power was unspoken and he said they were in fact, using different methods.

    All open to interpretation I guess, but the above is how I personally feel on the matter.
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    (Original post by Michael3C)
    And the quote from him was about both having a desire for a "powerful super state". The intention of what they do with said power was unspoken and he said they were in fact, using different methods.

    All open to interpretation I guess, but the above is how I personally feel on the matter.

    Then why bring him up? If you try hard enough you can compare anything to hitler...
    What's his point? Its scaremongering and designed to get people to associate the EU with Hitler.
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    Boris Johnson is a joke. A while back he said: "Leaving the EU will be globally interpreted as a narrow, xenophobic, backward-looking thing to do."
    Now now, if you're going to do this, do it properly and don't be misleading.

    The full quote was:

    "More generally, there is a risk that leaving the EU will be globally interpreted as a narrow, xenophobic, backward-looking thing to do."

    It wasn't him stating his personal stance, it was him citing what a potential backlash could be. In the wider context of the full article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...t-we-want.html in which he is pro Brexit, before the term was coined.

    To his point, all you have to do is look at somebody mention that they are uncomfortable with the massive immigration levels in the UK and be labelled a "bigot" by somebody of questionable judgement.
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    (Original post by Michael3C)
    Now now, if you're going to do this, do it properly and don't be misleading.

    The full quote was:

    "More generally, there is a risk that leaving the EU will be globally interpreted as a narrow, xenophobic, backward-looking thing to do."

    It wasn't him stating his personal stance, it was him citing what a potential backlash could be. In the wider context of the full article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...t-we-want.html in which he is pro Brexit, before the term was coined.

    To his point, all you have to do is look at somebody mention that they are uncomfortable with the massive immigration levels in the UK and be labelled a "bigot".
    He brought Hitler up to scare people. He has zero relevance to this debate. The leave campaign are the biggest fearmongerers of them all. They played the Hitler card.


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    Excellent post Foo
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    (Original post by Michael3C)
    Again, that isn't supporting something, that is giving an opinion on something.

    Wrong again. Trump said "Britain will certainly not be at the back of the queue" if he is president
 
 
 
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