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    (Original post by RoseBullet)
    What do you think?
    Karma for...?
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    No . . .
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    lets just hope we kept the receipt.
    Receipt or recipe?

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    (Original post by 0to100)
    No it's not karma because it's not happening in the same way for the same reasons. Except for Muslims I don't think anyone is immigrating here to subvert the British government or expand their country's profits because many are leaving to never return back to their native country. Whereas British imperialism was about expanding the British regime and ways, however they decided to do it, and it's set the example for many great countries today after taking cues from the fallen Roman Empire...that invaded Britain but anyway.

    I underestimated you :clap:
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    White people stole lands, robbed the natives and raped their women. They should not be complaining about immigration. Millions of whites are living in the Middle east, Asia and Africa right now. They are welcomed with open arms. Plus, most whites who complain about immigration are usually the one who are too lazy to find work, thus use immigration as an excuse.
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    no.
    it is, however, the natural response to living on a planet with massive differences in quality of life.
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    Karma as in the 200,000, Bengalis that died in a famine,while being obligated to send food to England, so English people didn’t starvein WW2. Now I think 200,000 of them live in England. The fact England betrayedpolish people, but claiming they were fighting for them against the Nazi andindependence, but instead gave Poland to the communist, on of the worsebetrayal of many the British did at the end of WW2. Bombing all theinfustructure in Somali and Ethiopia in WW2, so the Italians cant use the. The BritishEmpire was one of the worst empires, mainly due to its size though.. but I don’tthink karma has anything to do with it. Migration is good for England, but notin the scale its happening. I can gointo a lot of depth of why Britain and European were able to form such largeempire, the eastern people lived in warmer weather and thus were unable tocarry heavy shield and armour..ect ect but overall I do think Britain screwed upa ton of countries and many countries helped keep Britain alive and formed itinto what it is today.. but I don’t see a point in calling it karma, or saying we have a realobligation to take migrants.
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    (Original post by slaven)
    If so, what did Austria, Sweden or Denmark did? They barely had or never had any colonies.
    Denmark, Sweden and Austria did have colonies.

    Denmark-Norway had colonies. The USA bought them in 1917 after Denmark controlled them for 2 centuries, they're now known as the U.S. Virgin Islands.

    Sweden had the colony Saint Barthélemy after they bought it off the French in 1784. They also had the short-lived colony of New Sweden in Delaware, Pennsylvania and Maryland until the Dutch took them.

    Austria received funds from Spain due to them having the same dynasties, so they received the spoils of Spanish colonies and had their own short-lived Austrian colonies.
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    why do people believe in all this karma nonsense
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    Building empires is the story of mankind.
    How many countries in history in a position to build an empire and take it advantage said. "..nah...do you know what? Tha would be greedy that would...we should just keep to our own territory and not take advantage of them"
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    Empire envy
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    Its not karma, its survival of the fittest.

    Europe is a wealthy continent, many of whose countries are undergoing a native population collapse - basically everywhere but Northern Europe. Sources of non-European immigrants have recently, or are currently, experiencing population explosions. Its supply and demand.

    Unlike Japan (another imperial power, with a darker past than most European powers), we have high immigration because we are generous and unwilling to enforce our borders, and we do not encourage the elderly to work, nor automate factories as much.
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    (Original post by JezWeCan!)
    That is nonsense.

    London restaurants are massively overrated and overpriced.

    And you can forget about the rest of the country pretty much.

    Wherever you go in France or Italy you will find delicious food at an affordable price.
    ^^This

    French motorway services piss on a lot of British restaurants.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Its not karma, its survival of the fittest.

    Europe is a wealthy continent, many of whose countries are undergoing a native population collapse - basically everywhere but Northern Europe. Sources of non-European immigrants have recently, or are currently, experiencing population explosions. Its supply and demand.

    Unlike Japan (another imperial power, with a darker past than most European powers), we have high immigration because we are generous and unwilling to enforce our borders, and we do not encourage the elderly to work, nor automate factories as much.
    I think you said before your edit that Europeans are a 'weak and dying breed' so this is a response to that comment.

    It's Capitalism that is largely to blame. Capitalism reduces birth rates plus without a constantly growing pile of debtors the whole system collapses. Thanks to capitalism the powers that be now have advanced weaponry to control the population beyond the even the wildest dreams of the medieval Kings.
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    (Original post by ohgeez)
    I think you said before your edit that Europeans are a 'weak and dying breed' so this is a response to that comment.

    It's Capitalism that is largely to blame. Capitalism reduces birth rates plus without a constantly growing pile of debtors the whole system collapses. Thanks to capitalism the powers that be now have advanced weaponry to control the population beyond the even the wildest dreams of the medieval Kings.
    So let's have communism? Cause that worked great for Eastern Europe

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    (Original post by IAmNero)
    So let's have communism? Cause that worked great for Eastern Europe

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    I was giving him reasons for population decline in European countries, not offering up alternatives to Capitalism.
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    Exactly, they took advantage. The British invaded countries that were clearly weaker than them. Not exactly something to be proud of. Building empires? You mean out of slavery, backstabbing and lies?
    (Original post by caravaggio2)
    Building empires is the story of mankind.
    How many countries in history in a position to build an empire and take it advantage said. "..nah...do you know what? Tha would be greedy that would...we should just keep to our own territory and not take advantage of them"
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    Time and time again, usually on Twitter, I have conversations with people of foreign descent who say Britain stole from our country for centuries so now we are coming to take from you. In India, in relation to their Government spending billions on a space program while millions of its own people were starving,yet the UK still sent aid to India there were dozens of Indian people defending their Government spending all this money on the space program. Then they all started on Britain owes India billions which it stole over the centuries and it is only right Britain pays. I have come across the same opinion with a lot of people who are not of ethnically English descent. Some people I have spoken to Muslims, say Britain destroyed Iraq and Syria so now Muslims are going to come in their millions to the UK as a punishment. I think there is a quote from Colonel Gadaffi who said something similar,about predicting that Muslims will come to Europe in their millions and claim it for themselves to punish the West.
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    (Original post by Vivi11)
    Exactly, they took advantage. The British invaded countries that were clearly weaker than them. Not exactly something to be proud of. Building empires? You mean out of slavery, backstabbing and lies?
    I don't think you know very much about this. In fact your comment reveals you haven't the first clue about great swathes of early Imperial history.

    Consider the Raj. In the Indian subcontinent an Empire was built from scratch not by the armed forces of the nation state, but by a few individuals from a private trading company.

    A handful of Englishmen, separated from their homes by an immense ocean, in a few short years subjugated one of the greatest Empires in the world. with a population of well over one hundred million.

    These were not savage people, but highly civilised. They had great cities, sophisticated administrative and financial systems and impressive armies.

    It is an amazing story, one of the greatest in all history, rivalling Cortes' conquest of Mexico, with which it shares some similarities. Arguably it was a greater achievement even than that.

    But I am guessing not one told you what actually happened in your GCSE history course, from which you seem to have formed your ignorant and ill informed view of imperial history.

    Do some research, read up on it. Learn about the Battles of Plassey and Buxar, the massacre of Patna, the life histories of Clive, and Hastings and the likes of Shuja Daula.

    Then you will not come out with nonsense like "the British invaded countries which were clearly weaker than them..."
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    (Original post by Vivi11)
    Exactly, they took advantage. The British invaded countries that were clearly weaker than them. Not exactly something to be proud of. Building empires? You mean out of slavery, backstabbing and lies?
    Yes, that's right, exactly the same slavery backstabbing and lies that every country we invaded would have inflicted on us or anybody else ithey could have if the boot was on the other foot.
    So what?
 
 
 
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