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It's a real shame. What are your predictions for the upcoming elections in France?
Marine Le Pen will score at least 30-35% at the first stage, depending on her opponents. Hollande seems willing to run again despite his astonishing unpopularity. He won't qualify for the second stage and may even finish 4th behind the main far left candidate, Melanchon.
The second stage will therefore be between Le Pen and the Centre-right candidate, who will benefit from the vote of left wing sympathisers at the second stage, thus winning the election.
It will be a strange election, because we already know the scenario. The next president will also be known before the election. It will be the winner of the Republicains primary. So far, the frontrunner for this primary is Alain Juppé, the spiritual son of Jacques Chirac. It could also be Sarkozy or Bruno Lemaire (a younger candidate).
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Currently France has stopped the printing and distribution of newspapers Democracy much ? LoooL :ahee:
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You should understand how the media works. They cannot blow this news because it will portray the French in a bad light.
Media should only be used to inform people about true things. Any media organs which makes false propaganda news should be sued and it should be closed after proving three false news done over and over. Madia making no news about France, maybe just a few. If it was another country, especially if a Muslim or an African country, European media would make 24 hours of live broadcasts there, would prepare many false or exaggerated propaganda news about it to make events much worse and to make people hate each other.
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Media should only be used to inform people about true things. Any media organs which makes false propaganda news should be sued and it should be closed after proving three false news done over and over. Madia making no news about France, maybe just a few. If it was another country, especially if a Muslim or an African country, European media would make 24 hours of live broadcasts there, would prepare many false or exaggerated propaganda news about it to make events much worse and to make people hate each other.
I agree. Unfortunately, the media is controlled by a handful of very powerful interests and families or groups.

Just shutting down one news outlet won't stop the propaganda or false stories. The solution is to create an alternative source of information and news. For example social media is revolutionizing how we obtain information about our communities and the world. This is scaring the big media corporations because they won't be able to control the lies that they tell you.
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France is burning and no news about it, really ?
If that's happening, then it's probably not in the news because it would influence the EU referendum polls, namely towards leaving.

Sth probably has the media around a noose and doesn't want it to be a vote changer.
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I can recall the images of the French burning sheep in the mid to late 1990s. No one is surprised, just be glad that we don't have French labour laws.
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I can kind of recall the images of the French burning sheep in the mid to late 1990s. No one is surprised. Just be glad that we don't have French labour laws.
How bad are the French labour laws with 35-hour work weeks and a fair few employee benefits?
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How bad are the French labour laws with 35-hour work weeks and a fair few employee benefits?
Great benefits for an economy which is basically ****! Guess that's why the Government's trying to change some of those 'benefits'....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36152571
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Great benefits for an economy is basically ****! Guess that's why the Government's trying to change some of those 'benefits'....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36152571
okay. That is interesting.
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Currently France has stopped the printing and distribution of newspapers Democracy much ? LoooL :ahee:
It's because the CGT, the main communist union, has forbidden the printing of newspapers that refused to publish their text. It's a bad move, as now journalists are against them.
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I can recall the images of the French burning sheep in the mid to late 1990s. No one is surprised, just be glad that we don't have French labour laws.
France is in the same situation as the UK in the 70s. We need a Thatcher, but I don't see it happening soon.
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How bad are the French labour laws with 35-hour work weeks and a fair few employee benefits?
Employees often work more than the official 35h, notably because they are often pressurised to take work at home and to do overtime hours. Since taxes on salaries are so high (twice as much as the net salary) and it is almost impossible to fire an employee, employers only use a limited number of reliable (often thanks to some family networks) employees, rewarded with good benefits. Hence the unemployment, precarious jobs, glass ceiling to find a permanent job, low wages, etc. for the rest of the population.

Too much security works against employees.

The sad thing is that people attribute the terrible state of the economy to capitalism and business owners, whereas the French state is even worse. The public finances are so low that the state employs about one million precarious workers, whilst functionaries continue to enjoy their job for life.

I cannot fathom how people can be so blind.
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Employees often work more than the official 35h, notably because they are often pressurised to take work at home and to do overtime hours. Since taxes on salaries are so high (twice as much as the net salary) and it is almost impossible to fire an employee, employers only use a limited number of reliable (often thanks to some family networks) employees, rewarded with good benefits. Hence the unemployment, precarious jobs, glass ceiling to find a permanent job, low wages, etc. for the rest of the population.

Too much security works against employees.

The sad thing is that people attribute the terrible state of the economy to capitalism and business owners, whereas the French state is even worse. The public finances are so low that the state employs about one million precarious workers, whilst functionaries continue to enjoy their job for life.

I cannot fathom how people can be so blind.
So it is in the best interest of the public to change the status quo and make it better? Why are there protests, if the public don't want the Government to change it?
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So it is in the best interest of the public to change the status quo and make it better? Why are there protests, if the public don't want the Government to change it?
Because the government changes allow them to be laid off much easier when they need laying off

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Because the government changes allow them to be laid off much easier when they need laying off

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Yeah, gives employers more flexibility and the chance to recruit more people.
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Doooo you hear the people sing..... Singing the song of angry men
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Yeah, gives employers more flexibility and the chance to recruit more people.
But it also reduces job security

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Because the government changes allow them to be laid off much easier when they need laying off

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It wouldn't be "much easier" to lay off staff; just when a business faces economic hardship (two consecutive trimesters in deficit).
And people are ready to block a country for such a petty change...
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But it also reduces job security

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That is true. However, I am just thinking about the young people, who don't have jobs because older generations are either not vacating positions or there is not a good pipeline to the industries.
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So it is in the best interest of the public to change the status quo and make it better? Why are there protests, if the public don't want the Government to change it?
The French lack basic knowledge of economics. Moreover politicians are not trusted anymore and the president has a 14% approval rate. People know the government is weak.
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