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    (Original post by asif007)
    It's hardly demonising the people who enjoy research if I'm simply saying that myself and OP are just not like them. Each to their own. But I'm someone who doesn't want to dedicate every moment at medical school to the pursuit of a particular specialty - I have nothing against the people who do, I just don't want to spend my time doing the same.
    Except both you and OP clearly do have some complex against the people who choose to dedicate a lot of their time to research from your posts.

    Anyway, you always come across as really really bitter in every post. What's with the 'holier than thou' attitude with regards to medicine being only a 'job' for you? You seem to have it wired in your head that it makes you a more unique and edgy person for having that reactive view. We all have creative interests and other hobbies; but most medics manage to balance them alongside our interest in medicine, in research etc. without having to feel like we need to mention it in every post.

    If you really hate medicine, as I am sure you do, then why don't you just quit whilst your ahead? Genuinely curious. Why keep up all this 'woe is me - aren't I such a humanitarian - all the things I've been through' whining when you could genuinely leave. Why entertain the delusion that somehow you'll be able to cope with being an FY1/2 then a competent GP if you have such strongly negative attitudes to medicine now?
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    Except both you and OP clearly do have some complex against the people who choose to dedicate a lot of their time to research from your posts.

    Anyway, you always come across as really really bitter in every post. What's with the 'holier than thou' attitude with regards to medicine being only a 'job' for you? You seem to have it wired in your head that it makes you a more unique and edgy person for having that reactive view. We all have creative interests and other hobbies; but most medics manage to balance them alongside our interest in medicine, in research etc. without having to feel like we need to mention it in every post.

    If you really hate medicine, as I am sure you do, then why don't you just quit whilst your ahead? Genuinely curious. Why keep up all this 'woe is me - aren't I such a humanitarian - all the things I've been through' whining when you could genuinely leave. Why entertain the delusion that somehow you'll be able to cope with being an FY1/2 then a competent GP if you have such strongly negative attitudes to medicine now?
    Dude, you make so many assumptions in this post that I just CBA to name them all. I don't see how this affects you at all - no need to be so judgmental. Not every medic needs to have the same motivation or reasons for wanting to study Medicine. I'm different to most people in that I just want to finish what I started and qualify. I haven't made a lot of consideration for the job afterwards because it's not what I want to do for the rest of my life. However, without Medicine I have nothing and would probably have to take several steps back but finishing it is the lesser of two evils. I did start down this path intending to make it to the end. You might tell me something about "there is no end" and "lifelong learning" or some BS but for me, graduating and/or finishing FY2 is as much as I want to do. GP is only a fall-back career. I don't see anything wrong with that - just because I don't want to do the job, doesn't mean I don't have as much of a right to get a medical degree as someone who does. Sue me.

    And I've hardly got a complex against other people for enjoying what they do and wanting to dedicate their spare time to doing more study, research etc. That's your own conclusion. I'm doing exactly the same as them, just in my creative pursuits more than Medicine. All I'm saying is that I'm different to everyone else - I'm obviously not as passionate about the job as they are and I don't have as much motivation as they do. Still no reason why I should be judged as inferior to everyone else. Yes, of course I know that medics balance their creative interests with the job, I see people doing it all the time. But along the way some of us find things we enjoy more than Medicine and that promise a more happy, fulfilling life. I don't want to compromise on my creative interests for Medicine. As I already mentioned, I refuse to compromise on anything in favour of Medicine any more. So once I finish, I'll be pursuing my ambitions more seriously, hopefully with the aim of turning it into a career.
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    (Original post by asif007)
    I don't see anything wrong with that - just because I don't want to do the job, doesn't mean I don't have as much of a right to get a medical degree as someone who does. Sue me.
    I don't think anybody is trying to tell you you don't have a right to do a medical degree or indeed trying to sue you for it. Maybe people around you are giving you negative feedback on the fact you feel you're not pursuing the thing which will be your ultimate goal when it IS their ultimate goal so they don't understand? You do come across a little angry about the situation and how other people might view you even before anybody has said anything negative here, so I wonder if there's something else on your mind.

    I think people are more wondering like if you don't especially want to do medicine then... what do you want to do? It's not impossible to switch or even just intercalate, get a BSc (which is certainly a worthwhile degree) and pursue the thing which really does get you fired up. And besides being a possibility, it'll save you a good few years of life and student debt. Or if nothing gets you fired up and you're just doing medicine because it leads to a decent job that will sustain you financially, even if you don't think it will be your long term job... then fair enough, I think you can chill a bit because nobody here is judging you. But equally you've got to be fair about people who are very passionate about it and not do them down.
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    (Original post by seaholme)
    I don't think anybody is trying to tell you you don't have a right to do a medical degree or indeed trying to sue you for it. Maybe people around you are giving you negative feedback on the fact you feel you're not pursuing the thing which will be your ultimate goal when it IS their ultimate goal so they don't understand? You do come across a little angry about the situation and how other people might view you even before anybody has said anything negative here, so I wonder if there's something else on your mind.

    I think people are more wondering like if you don't especially want to do medicine then... what do you want to do? It's not impossible to switch or even just intercalate, get a BSc (which is certainly a worthwhile degree) and pursue the thing which really does get you fired up. And besides being a possibility, it'll save you a good few years of life and student debt. Or if nothing gets you fired up and you're just doing medicine because it leads to a decent job that will sustain you financially, even if you don't think it will be your long term job... then fair enough, I think you can chill a bit because nobody here is judging you. But equally you've got to be fair about people who are very passionate about it and not do them down.
    IIRC, he's not actually a med student (at least not in the UK) any more. And a few weeks ago was saying how he'd never ever work for the NHS...
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    (Original post by Helenia)
    IIRC, he's not actually a med student (at least not in the UK) any more. And a few weeks ago was saying how he'd never ever work for the NHS...
    As of right now I'm still pursuing Medicine. As for working in the NHS, I go back and forth on it all the time. I don't really know what the big deal is.
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    (Original post by seaholme)
    I don't think anybody is trying to tell you you don't have a right to do a medical degree or indeed trying to sue you for it. Maybe people around you are giving you negative feedback on the fact you feel you're not pursuing the thing which will be your ultimate goal when it IS their ultimate goal so they don't understand? You do come across a little angry about the situation and how other people might view you even before anybody has said anything negative here, so I wonder if there's something else on your mind.

    I think people are more wondering like if you don't especially want to do medicine then... what do you want to do? It's not impossible to switch or even just intercalate, get a BSc (which is certainly a worthwhile degree) and pursue the thing which really does get you fired up. And besides being a possibility, it'll save you a good few years of life and student debt. Or if nothing gets you fired up and you're just doing medicine because it leads to a decent job that will sustain you financially, even if you don't think it will be your long term job... then fair enough, I think you can chill a bit because nobody here is judging you. But equally you've got to be fair about people who are very passionate about it and not do them down.
    Well seeing as a lot of people on here seem to be implying that my bitterness over my past experiences means I can't finish Medicine and qualify, I'd say they are being quite judgmental about it. Not sure why people make such a big deal about the fact that I want to finish what I started even if I'm not fully motivated for the job afterwards. You can still work hard at something you don't fully love like all other medics do. Somehow, the fact that I ran into setbacks along the way means that I'm already having people questioning my ability to become a doctor. I might hate the idea of working in the NHS but I did enjoy studying Medicine so I see no reason why I shouldn't continue doing so especially when there is an end in sight. People work hard as a means to an end all the time, and I've made it very clear on here that I only want to finish Medicine to get a degree. But most medics don't seem to understand that. I also feel that the grass is greener in other countries with regards to working as a doctor, hence why I want to keep my options open and ensure that I still have that as a possible career route. Regardless of what I choose to pursue career-wise, I still need a degree to fall back on otherwise I have nothing. And instead of starting another course from scratch at 9k fees which I'll be even less motivated to do than Medicine, I think it's worth continuing down this path to reach the end.

    And anyway, why does it make a difference if I'm angry about my situation? I guarantee you that anyone would feel the same way if they had been through the same experiences I have. Instead of trying to find out why I might be feeling like this, I have people berating me for my opinions hence why I feel the need to constantly defend myself like this. Medicine is not a perfect course nor a perfect job. Some of us run into problems along the way through no fault of our own, but that doesn't mean we can't handle the rest of it.
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    And anyway, why does it make a difference if I'm angry about my situation?
    ...well if it's your decision then what are you doing wasting time being angry? It's just a choice you've made, it doesn't mean the whole world is against you for some reason.

    IMO a lot of people just want to finish what they started and qualify and get through F1/F2 to be sorted and then survey their options from there. I don't think it's an unusual feeling. I feel the same way, I'm going to do F1/F2 and then review the situation. But I don't go around informing people who have a different view and are really committed to the whole thing that, in advance, I expect them to berate me about "lifelong learning" (in your own words), thereby launching my defensive offense right off the bat. I don't give a crap about speaking to you on the subject of lifelong learning, so why would you do that? Honestly I think if you talk to your colleagues you'll find you're not so particularly different from anybody else. There are a lot of people who aren't sure if they're doing the right thing, or what to do, and who are just carrying on to see what happens. This becomes more evident the further through the process you get.

    I have no disagreement with your point of view on the career side, but I do think you can relax a lot about how you're projecting it. It comes across as antagonistic/defensive when really there's no need. If people are genuinely giving you crap about it, then just ignore them because what does it matter to them?? It's your life, not theirs. Especially on TSR - people on here know sod all about your mystery 'setbacks', and aren't questioning whether you'll be a doctor etc etc, so there's really no need to carry whatever chip that is over onto here. Not a soul on here has mentioned medicine is a 'perfect job' and a 'perfect course' or criticised you for not being committed - this is entirely of your own making.

    The way I see it, if you act as if the whole of the rest of the world is trying to feed you negativity and judge you against it, then you're always going to hit against people to whom that sounds bitter, because it's both unprovoked and factually not true. People don't like to be accused of something before they've said much, and that's kind of what you're doing - making big assumptions about how others will treat you based on a decision they don't care much about at all. So they react. I recommend not giving a ****. Anger is crap and there's nothing wrong with your decision. Just be confident in it.
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    (Original post by seaholme)
    ...well if it's your decision then what are you doing wasting time being angry? It's just a choice you've made, it doesn't mean the whole world is against you for some reason.

    IMO a lot of people just want to finish what they started and qualify and get through F1/F2 to be sorted and then survey their options from there. I don't think it's an unusual feeling. I feel the same way, I'm going to do F1/F2 and then review the situation. But I don't go around informing people who have a different view and are really committed to the whole thing that, in advance, I expect them to berate me about "lifelong learning" (in your own words), thereby launching my defensive offense right off the bat. I don't give a crap about speaking to you on the subject of lifelong learning, so why would you do that? Honestly I think if you talk to your colleagues you'll find you're not so particularly different from anybody else. There are a lot of people who aren't sure if they're doing the right thing, or what to do, and who are just carrying on to see what happens. This becomes more evident the further through the process you get.

    I have no disagreement with your point of view on the career side, but I do think you can relax a lot about how you're projecting it. It comes across as antagonistic/defensive when really there's no need. If people are genuinely giving you crap about it, then just ignore them because what does it matter to them?? It's your life, not theirs. Especially on TSR - people on here know sod all about your mystery 'setbacks', and aren't questioning whether you'll be a doctor etc etc, so there's really no need to carry whatever chip that is over onto here. Not a soul on here has mentioned medicine is a 'perfect job' and a 'perfect course' or criticised you for not being committed - this is entirely of your own making.

    The way I see it, if you act as if the whole of the rest of the world is trying to feed you negativity and judge you against it, then you're always going to hit against people to whom that sounds bitter, because it's both unprovoked and factually not true. People don't like to be accused of something before they've said much, and that's kind of what you're doing - making big assumptions about how others will treat you based on a decision they don't care much about at all. So they react. I recommend not giving a ****. Anger is crap and there's nothing wrong with your decision. Just be confident in it.
    Well I haven't discussed this with any other medics cos they have been such **** friends. My opinions only go on here. Make of them what you will, but being angry is my reality until I can move on and get back to studying again. I treated Medicine as a sense of pride and identity, so to have that taken away from me is unforgivable especially when all the other medics just pretend I don't exist. This isn't just about a career, it's much deeper than that for me. But I've said more than enough already. No need to go into further detail.
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    I'm probably one of those who avoids doing medical things outside of medical school requirements but everyone enjoys different things and nothing wrong with having an interest in medicine as extra-curricular.

    However I believe some involvement in research and conferences and the like and almost a nessecity for career progression. In addition a lot of people are career driven, nothing wrong with that, and want to get a jump on competition too.
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    Both. Building the CV and interest. A lot of people in my year more for interest but still what they've done can be written on a CV even though their primary intention was out of interest. But I have absolutely no interest in doing extra medical stuff. If I have no interest I don't want to do it.
    Then don't. You've made it more dramatic than it needs to be.

    Obviously this means I won't be getting publications and therefore others who do might get more points than me but that doesn't define where I'll end up in the long run right?
    That depends what you want to do, where you want to work, what specialism you want to anchor your career in. It could.

    Why do doctors get ranked with research publications in mind? Doctors aren't scientists. Just because someone does research and maybe gets it published doesn't make them a better doctor than one who doesn't do research. I don't see how working with cells or molecules makes u any better of a doctor.
    It's not the publication of research itself that changes your ability to be a doctor, but spending time immersed in a research environment changes the way you think...about evidence, data, hypothesis testing, etc. that actually does interact with your everyday job in a meaningful way.
 
 
 
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