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    (Original post by Mactotaur)
    "If you have nothing to fear, you have nothing to fear", right?

    Right?

    No.
    1984 is my playbook mother****er.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Yes, that's a great idea tbh, privacy has no intrinsic value. I also strongly support ID cards, microchips and a DNA database, and anyone who doesn't values wishy-washy concepts like liberty and privacy more highly than human life.
    It's all fine and well having those things when you have a benevolent government (and we clearly don't) but when a Stalin comes along I'd rather not have him knowing my every movement thank you very much. This is the intrinsic problem with 20th century socialism, it puts too much power in the hands of the state and too much reliance on the state so when a madman comes along (and that's very often if history is anything to go by) you're completely ****ed. It's the value I put on human life which leads to me equally valuing liberty and privacy, and is the basis behind my entire economic thinking.
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    (Original post by cBay)
    It's all fine and well having those things when you have a benevolent government (and we clearly don't) but when a Stalin comes along I'd rather not have him knowing my every movement thank you very much. This is the intrinsic problem with 20th century socialism, it puts too much power in the hands of the state and too much reliance on the state so when a madman comes along (and that's very often if history is anything to go by) you're completely ****ed. It's the value I put on human life which leads to me equally valuing liberty and privacy, and is the basis behind my entire economic thinking.
    We can have more adequate observation and accountability mechanisms in the 21st century. Hell, even computers could perform a lot of technocratic functions. That's my optimism for authoritarianism.
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    Big Brother is trying to monitor us! Don't give the EU ideas like this, or they'll make it law!
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    Why did you not consider the alternative of speed limiters as are fitted in coaches?
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    https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

    Here is some information on speed limits and where speed limiters are already required. However much you penalise people, there is a time lag between being caught and being banned (if that is the outcome). In any case, prevention is better than cure, and stops the accusation of the enforcement of speed being just to raise money.
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    Actually I've realised that there is a big hole in this... It's punishing the owner of the car and not the driver at the time
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Why did you not consider the alternative of speed limiters as are fitted in coaches?
    I presume everyone who would then need to overtake someone, escape a natural disaster, or take a pregnant wife to the hospital could go **** himself, right?
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    I presume everyone who would then need to overtake someone, escape a natural disaster, or take a pregnant wife to the hospital could go **** himself, right?
    Other then a natural disaster none of those are permissible reasons to speed, and seeing as we don't get hurricanes, only the occasional tornado, and flooding there isn't a disaster fast enough to require speeding.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    I presume everyone who would then need to overtake someone, escape a natural disaster, or take a pregnant wife to the hospital could go **** himself, right?
    Ambulances are exempt and 70mph on a motorway is enough.
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    Let's note that the current speed limit is 80.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Ambulances are exempt and 70mph on a motorway is enough.
    It may be enough for you, but not for everyone.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Ambulances are exempt and 70mph on a motorway is enough.
    I guess you've never been stuck behind lorries trying to overtake each other on a motorway/dual carriageway

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    (Original post by Mactotaur)
    "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear", right?

    Right?

    No.
    Fixed it.

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    Fixed it.

    PRSOM
    The point stands!
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    Not on my estate, they don't. If someone gets injured… bad luck. Just like in the old days when people weren't pussies.
    PRSOM.

    I think the Minister Prime has made as many arguments as I could think of as to why I will vote nay.
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    PRSOM.

    I think the Minister Prime has made as many arguments as I could think of as to why I will vote nay.
    Minister Prime?
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    Optimus' brother.

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    Minister Prime?
    You tend to miss a lot of things, don't you? Mobbsy being our DL, this thing, etc. I don't mind, but this lack of situational awareness will eventually cost you.

    Secretaries, roll out!
 
 
 
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