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    Telling a homeless person to just buy a house is like telling a cancer victim to simply stop having cancer

    Its one of the most absurd things ive ever heard.

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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Telling a homeless person to just buy a house is like telling a cancer victim to simply stop having cancer

    Its one of the most absurd things ive ever heard.

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    Your comparison is more absurd, a homeless person can receive financial help, benefits, and temporary accommodation to find a place to live, a cancer sufferer can be treated medicine: it does not justify squatting.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    Your comparison is more absurd, a homeless person can receive financial help, benefits, and temporary accommodation to find a place to live, a cancer sufferer can be treated medicine: it does not justify squatting.
    In the uk one does not have to pay for cancer treatment, therefore making it easier for someone to not have cancer anymore than for a homeless person to just "buy a house"

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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    In the uk one does not have to pay for cancer treatment, therefore making it easier for someone to not have cancer anymore than for a homeless person to just "buy a house"

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    Your point is not clear, there is support for homeless people in Britain, and there is support for cancer patients in Britain; it is unrelated to squatting which is the focus of this bill.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    Your point is not clear, there is support for homeless people in Britain, and there is support for cancer patients in Britain; it is unrelated to squatting which is the focus of this bill.
    I was referring to your suggestion that homeless people just buy a house.

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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    I was referring to your suggestion that homeless people just buy a house.

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    But telling homeless people to buy a house when there are support measures in place is not the same as telling a cancer patient to stop having cancer as you state, it would be telling the cancer patient to seek treatment to stop having cancer.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    But telling homeless people to buy a house when there are support measures in place is not the same as telling a cancer patient to stop having cancer as you state, it would be telling the cancer patient to seek treatment to stop having cancer.
    "Why are you homeless?"

    "Got no money"

    "Well why dont you just buy a house then?"

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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    "Why are you homeless?"

    "Got no money"

    "Well why dont you just buy a house then?"

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    That ignores that lots of people are homeless because they wasted money, made bad decisions when investing money, refuse to seek help, or did not pay attention at school when being educated meaning the homeless individual does not have qualifications to find a good job.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    That ignores that lots of people are homeless because they wasted money, made bad decisions when investing money, refuse to seek help, or did not pay attention at school when being educated meaning the homeless individual does not have qualifications to find a good job.
    How does one get a job if theyre homeless?

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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    How does one get a job if theyre homeless?

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    The point is this, the homeless may have had a job before being homeless if they did not waste their time at school, however, there are free charities that exist who provide an address for the homeless to use in job applications, or the homeless could use a friend's address.
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    Hell no... For those who say aye, I'd love to see how you react if you got home to someone in your bed.
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    Hell no... For those who say aye, I'd love to see how you react if you got home to someone in your bed.
    This is a dramatic misrepresentation of the problem. Squatting is exceedingly rare in occupied houses, and when it happens, it's extremely easy to remedy under existing (pre-Residing Act) law.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    This is a dramatic misrepresentation of the problem. Squatting is exceedingly rare in occupied houses, and when it happens, it's extremely easy to remedy under existing (pre-Residing Act) law.
    It might be extreme, but hey, in my eyes, repealing this Act is extreme.
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    It might be extreme, but hey, in my eyes, repealing this Act is extreme.
    Helping to remedy the homelessness problem is extreme?
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    Im torn on this one. On the one hand i think we should do our bit to help the homeless however i dont think that legalising (and therefore encouraging) squatting is a good idea.

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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Im torn on this one. On the one hand i think we should do our bit to help the homeless however i dont think that legalising (and therefore encouraging) squatting is a good idea.

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    Legalising something is not encouraging it. I struggle to see where you've got this weird perception from (including, apparently, that taxing something is encouraging it).
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Legalising something is not encouraging it. I struggle to see where you've got this weird perception from (including, apparently, that taxing something is encouraging it).
    The professional gambling tax applies income tax to gambling winnings, therefore legitimising it as a profession when it shouldn't be.

    Legalisation is an endorsement from the state, basically giving something the okay. I guess you're just too liberal to understand.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    The professional gambling tax applies income tax to gambling winnings, therefore legitimising it as a profession when it shouldn't be.
    It doesn't. It creates a disincentive to gamble for a living. Also, it's no less legitimate a profession than running a gambling company, being a trader, or even property development (for obvious reasons).

    Legalisation is an endorsement from the state, basically giving something the okay. I guess you're just too liberal to understand.
    It's not. Here's the reason: everything is legalised unless the state has specifically stated otherwise (that's a matter of fact, not something I believe because I'm 'liberal'). Unless you believe that endorsement is the default state, and thus the state can be said to endorse basically absolutely everything, that's not a tenable argument.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    It doesn't. It creates a disincentive to gamble for a living. Also, it's no less legitimate a profession than running a gambling company, being a trader, or even property development (for obvious reasons).



    It's not. Here's the reason: everything is legalised unless the state has specifically stated otherwise (that's a matter of fact, not something I believe because I'm 'liberal'. Unless you believe that endorsement is the default state, and thus the state can be said to endorse basically absolutely everything, that's not a tenable argument.
    Something previously illegal becoming legal is a different matter entirely though. It is a shift from the state saying that "this isn't okay" to "this is okay". In this case it's squatting, which I don't think is okay, and as such if this is put into division I'll likely abstain or vote against.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Something previously illegal becoming legal is a different matter entirely though. It is a shift from the state saying that "this isn't okay" to "this is okay". In this case it's squatting, which I don't think is okay, and as such if this is put into division I'll likely abstain or vote against.
    First, on the PGT Bill, that's not what happened.

    Second, that's not accurate. When something becomes legal from being illegal, it's the state saying 'For whatever reason, we no longer believe that this being illegal is beneficial to society' - your version is so simplistic as to be false.

    For instance, copyright infringement recently stopped being illegal. Do you think that by doing that, the Tory government was saying copyright infringement is okay, or encouraged?
 
 
 
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