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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    Thank you. It is a shame that you're being given extra work because some people can't be bothered to check whether or not the person they are proxying has already voted on the Bill or not.
    In all fairness it requires the new MP to go into the poll results and check first – really it is something for party whips to co-ordinate.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    What... so my vote doesn't count? Not very fair.
    Well, the Liberals can't cast 10 votes for their 9 seats, can they?

    Given THB is the permanent MP, his vote will count. The role of a proxy is to vote where the sitting MP is unable to do so, and this is not an example of such a situation.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    What... so my vote doesn't count? Not very fair.
    I did tell you it was only from what was posted that night onwards
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    In all fairness it requires the new MP to go into the poll results and check first – really it is something for party whips to co-ordinate.
    Even so, that doesn't take long at all... It is definitely something that either the proxy/Party leader/whip should do, rather than having these mistakes here.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    What... so my vote doesn't count? Not very fair.
    If both your votes counted then the amount of votes each party had would be very different

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    The speaker allows MPs to change their mind, what's the difference? I may only be a proxy but I don't agree with the way the seat I'm holding has voted, so I want to change it.

    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    Thank you. It is a shame that you're being given extra work because some people can't be bothered to check whether or not the person they are proxying has already voted on the Bill or not.
    :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    Well, the Liberals can't cast 10 votes for their 9 seats, can they?

    Given THB is the permanent MP, his vote will count. The role of a proxy is to vote where the sitting MP is unable to do so, and this is not an example of such a situation.
    We hold 8 seats But yes, this.


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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    The speaker allows MPs to change their mind, what's the difference? I may only be a proxy but I don't agree with the way the seat I'm holding has voted, so I want to change it.



    :rolleyes:
    The job of a Proxy is to vote on anything the permanent MP cannot


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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    The speaker allows MPs to change their mind, what's the difference? I may only be a proxy but I don't agree with the way the seat I'm holding has voted, so I want to change it.
    It's not your place to do so. If anything by the book your job is to take instruction on how to vote from the permanent seat holder.
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    How is this even an argument...
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    We hold 8 seats But yes, this.
    Oh my God, of course you do.

    Somehow I'm still stuck in the last Parliament.
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    It's not your place to do so. If anything by the book your job is to take instruction on how to vote from the permanent seat holder.
    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    The job of a Proxy is to vote on anything the permanent MP cannot


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    That is only custom, where in the rule book does it say a proxy can't change the vote if the vote is still open?
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    Oh my God, of course you do.

    Somehow I'm still stuck in the last Parliament.
    Is someone missing Number 10?
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    That is only custom, where in the rule book does it say a proxy can't change the vote if the vote is still open?
    I can make it easier and remove you as the proxy, or you can accept that you cannot change this vote. It's up to you.
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    By my knowledge the job of the proxy is not only to vote on what the permanent MP can't, but to do so in the way that the permanent MP would. Changing the permanent MPs vote goes in direct contradiction of this.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I can make it easier and remove you as the proxy, or you can accept that you cannot change this vote. It's up to you.
    I will accept it after you show me the rule that says a proxy can't change a vote.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I can make it easier and remove you as the proxy, or you can accept that you cannot change this vote. It's up to you.
    You said previously the Liberal Party did not have a whipping system, you are now threatening an MP who wants to change a vote; the Liberal Party does have a whipping system.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    I will accept it after you show me the rule that says a proxy can't change a vote.
    The fact that in the rule book the proxy is meant to be instructed how to vote

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    You said previously the Liberal Party did not have a whipping system, you are now threatening an MP who wants to change a vote; the Liberal Party does have a whipping system.
    I'll send you the party constitution some time Nige, no whipping system. It does not bother me in the slightest how Snufkin wants to vote, that isn't the issue at hand. The fact is that he is not the proxy MP for this bill, something you know just as well as I do.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    The fact that in the rule book the proxy is meant to be instructed how to vote



    I'll send you the party constitution some time Nige, no whipping system. It does not bother me in the slightest how Snufkin wants to vote, that isn't the issue at hand. The fact is that he is not the proxy MP for this bill, something you know just as well as I do.
    There is nothing binding to say Snufkin has to follow how the previous member to have the seat voted if the poll is live; threatening Snufkin is a de facto whip.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    The fact that in the rule book the proxy is meant to be instructed how to vote
    And yet you chose to employ a first come first serve policy when choosing a proxy, rather than picking someone with similar political views as THB. You know perfectly well that I disagree with nearly everything THB says.

    I can't find any rule that says a proxy can't change the vote if they want to.
 
 
 
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