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    (Original post by wiwarin_mir)
    The americans make themselves a target. they are think they can police the world and have killed many, many innocent people as a consequence of their actions in the various conflicts they have either fought in or started since WWII.
    I have to agree. If the Americans had left well enough alone, the 9/11 attack wouldn't have happened.
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    what exactly has that got to do with anything? - wiwarin
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    (Original post by Mad_Monkey59)
    what exactly has that got to do with anything? - wiwarin
    The fact that america armed bin laden and then were horrified when he turned against them.
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    (Original post by Mad_Monkey59)
    The goals of alqaeda are not reasonable... they are not achievable, there are based on extremist beliefs, and no matter what we do, these people will have a vandetta against the whole of western civilisation...
    quite.
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    (Original post by wiwarin_mir)
    The fact that america armed bin laden and then were horrified when he turned against them.
    the Saudis armed him and bankrolled Al-Qaeda..any thread of US payment to him is negligible in comparison.
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    so why did alqeada bomb madrid...

    what have the spanish got to do with anything.

    you are failing to understand, alqaeda arent fighting for revenge they are fighting against the entire diplomatic, western civilisation... they are fighting aginast our liberty.
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    (Original post by Mad_Monkey59)
    The goals of alqaeda are not reasonable... they are not achievable, there are based on extremist beliefs, and no matter what we do, these people will have a vandetta against the whole of western civilisation...

    were america in Iraq on sept 11... no, there is no excuse for their actions.
    You do realise that you can just substitute the names for each of them, reverse the tables if you will, and things would be exactly the same. The only excuse that has any relevance is 'fight fire with fire', but 'two wrongs don't make a right' and while I'm going 'if at first you don't succee, quit sky diving'
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    (Original post by Mad_Monkey59)
    so why did alqeada bomb madrid...

    what have the spanish got to do with anything.

    you are failing to understand, alqaeda arent fighting for revenge they are fighting against the entire diplomatic, western civilisation... they are fighting aginast our liberty.
    Aren't you fighting against their liberty?
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    (Original post by Mad_Monkey59)
    so why did alqeada bomb madrid...

    what have the spanish got to do with anything.

    you are failing to understand, alqaeda arent fighting for revenge they are fighting against the entire diplomatic, western civilisation... they are fighting aginast our liberty.
    I am not defending alqaeda, I am simply saying that america isn't exactly innocent.
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    (Original post by Sire)
    I have to agree. If the Americans had left well enough alone, the 9/11 attack wouldn't have happened.
    its amusing..youre happy they helped in WWII but when its not to save your ass or defend your existence or liberty, bad americans. i appreciate that in australia a closed beach is about as great a threat to liberty as one can imagine.
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    its amusing..youre happy they helped in WWII but when its not to save your ass or defend your existence or liberty, bad americans. i appreciate that in australia, a closed beach is about as greater threat to liberty as one can imagine.
    They helped in WWII because of the japanese lauching an unprevoked attack on them, so it was once again for revenge.
    I personally do not think bush will be happen until he manages to dismantle the axis of evil (as he puts it)
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    (Original post by wiwarin_mir)
    They helped in WWII because of the japanese lauching an unprevoked attack on them, so it was once again for revenge.
    I personally do not think bush will be happen until he manages to dismantle the axis of evil (as he puts it)
    as david frum puts it but anyway, let me get this clear, the US was right or wrong to send its young men to european battlefields?
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    as david frum puts it but anyway, let me get this clear, the US was right or wrong to send its young men to european battlefields?
    Well the US was also wrong to interfere into world politics and try to direct the course if conflicts.
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    its amusing..youre happy they helped in WWII but when its not to save your ass or defend your existence or liberty, bad americans. i appreciate that in australia, a closed beach is about as greater threat to liberty as one can imagine.
    Nice one Actually, I'm not happy they helped in WW2. As far as Australia goes that is. If you mean to say that I'm happy they stopped Hitler from having his way, then no. Hitler decided to declare war on America, that was his mistake. But on June 22 1941 Hitler decided to invade Russia despite a non-aggression pact signed in 1939 (may have been late 1938). He brought about his own downfall there, and thus we didn't need saving from him. As for the Japanese threat, there really wasn't one. They only threatened Britain's empirical trade network, which was all but gone anyway, and had no intention of invading the US or Australia. The plan was to inflict such a quick and severe defeat upon America that they would sue for peace. Obviously this failed.

    I just feel that the Americans are basically the bullies of the world, and if anyone doesn't like it, they get invaded or hunted. Then the Americans condemn any acts of retaliation to what they've done in areas where they aren't welcome. Sorry, but I just can't condone the hypocrisy of the American Government and its actions.
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    (Original post by wiwarin_mir)
    They helped in WWII because of the japanese lauching an unprevoked attack on them, so it was once again for revenge.
    I personally do not think bush will be happen until he manages to dismantle the axis of evil (as he puts it)
    this is a very ignorant comment, do you want me to tell you why?
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    (Original post by wiwarin_mir)
    They helped in WWII because of the japanese lauching an unprevoked attack on them, so it was once again for revenge.
    That's a gross historical inaccuracy. They supplied a huge amount of war materials, without which Britain could not have survived, long before Pearl Harbour occured. They also allowed aided their citizens in volunteering to join the RAF.
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    (Original post by H&E)
    That's a gross historical inaccuracy. They supplied a huge amount of war materials, without which Britain could not have survived, long before Pearl Harbour occured. They also allowed aided their citizens in volunteering to join the RAF.
    The US actually entering the war as a fighting body occured due to pearl harbour, but true, they were suppying us before hand, I should have made myself more clear.
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    (Original post by Speciez99)
    this is a very ignorant comment, do you want me to tell you why?
    Spelling mistake, it should be happy rather than happen.
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    (Original post by wiwarin_mir)
    Well the US was also wrong to interfere into world politics and try to direct the course if conflicts.
    can you be more specific?
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    can you be more specific?
    korea, vietnam, europe (cold war), kosovo
 
 
 
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