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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    I see everyone is desperately clambering to invent some kind of link between UKIP and neo-nazi parties. At least when it comes to Labour we don't need such tactics, Labour is embarrassing enough at it is.
    The link exists, whether you like it or not, just like there is a link between Labour, communists, and SJWs. Neo Nazis are people who take a UKIP-style of thinking too far. UKIP and neo-Nazis are allies in many ways, just like Labour, Islam and communism are too.
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    (Original post by Sun_Bear)
    Left wingers love to point out problems with the right/far-right. Lets look at how many people the far left communists have killed over the years and its far worse...
    We don't really have far left terrorists in the UK, though - they only really exist in some continental European countries, and probably South America, and some Asian and African countries.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    The link exists, whether you like it or not, just like there is a link between Labour, communists, and SJWs. Neo Nazis are people who take a UKIP-style of thinking too far. UKIP and neo-Nazis are allies in many ways, just like Labour, Islam and communism are too.
    I'm more of a supporter of the horseshoe theory myself. Neo-Nazis and SJW/Islam have more similarities imo.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    I'm more of a supporter of the horseshoe theory myself. Neo-Nazis and SJW/Islam have more similarities imo.
    In terms of how they go about achieving their motives, yes; but neo-Nazis are more similar to UKIP in terms of the underlying motives than SJWs or Islam.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    We don't really have far left terrorists in the UK, though - they only really exist in some continental European countries, and probably South America, and some Asian and African countries.
    Neither do we right wing. Cant even remember the last murder committed by a neo-nazi in this country.

    I think the frequency and scale of certain terrorists matter as well. Certain terriorists seems to kill a lot more frequently and larger amount of people than others.
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    So some unknown website written by unknown writers claiming that him joining a far right organisation in the 90's had something to do with the death of an MP who intervened in a fight between him and another person, which the neighbours, and the police themselves said had no political agenda at all.

    Right let me believe what you said, Brietbart are really a disgrace for publishing a statement made by the WEST YORKSHIRE POLICE
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    (Original post by Sun_Bear)
    Neither do we right wing. Cant even remember the last murder committed by a neo-nazi in this country.
    Neither can I; in terms of deaths and impact, the left wing and Islam outdo the far right by a large margin, AFAIK

    But its not a competition
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    (Original post by Thutmose-III)
    Who's we? I've never said any such thing in the past. I'm a leave voter and euroskeptic.

    But it is completely unclear why members of the UKIP right seem to feel personally offended by information that links this man to far right groups (which I personally would not claim UKIP is) and why they are so desperate to obfuscate that.
    Because it's alienating the entire right.
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    *terrorist
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    Far-right freedom fighter
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    This guy was just a moron who would have been a killer regardless of his motive that's the difference, he had been harassing and stalking this woman it seemed for a while and he acted in the same way. People who are quick to ridiculously link this nut case to leave voters are just as ignorant as people that think all muslims are having wet dreams about cutting infidel heads off
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    (Original post by AnnieGakusei)
    Can we please all take a moment to acknowledge that "anti-radicalisation" programmes in schools etc. seriously need to recognise this kind of extremism?
    Why?


    TSR no longer has the quality of debates it used to
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Are they?

    Lunatic implies some kind of mental abnormality. Like being a psychopath or in some way not in control of your mental faculties etc.

    To just say these people are lunatics allows them to get off the hook and take away responsibility from their appalling actions. It also ignores the fact that many people have mental problem of various degrees yet still do not murder people. So it is also insulting to those people. You can be of sound mind and decide to kill someone for political reasons. It's entirely normal in times of war etc.
    We aren't at war though and mental illness is absolutely no excuse. Fact is he killed someone.
    And so what if most people who have mental problems don't murder people? How does that in anyway change the fact that some do? If a psychopath murders someone, we state as such. We don't pretend like that had no bearing on the murder to avoid insulting someone, with say, Autism.

    You can't lump all mental illness together like that, to do so is extremely ignorant.
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    (Original post by Sun_Bear)
    Neither do we right wing. Cant even remember the last murder committed by a neo-nazi in this country.
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    I'm surprised you haven't heard of David Copeland. Murdered three people and injured dozens using nail bombs in a short reign of terror.
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    (Original post by Zargabaath)
    We aren't at war though and mental illness is absolutely no excuse. Fact is he killed someone.
    And so what if most people who have mental problems don't murder people? How does that in anyway change the fact that some do? If a psychopath murders someone, we state as such. We don't pretend like that had no bearing on the murder to avoid insulting someone, with say, Autism.

    You can't lump all mental illness together like that, to do so is extremely ignorant.
    I deliberate didn't lump all mentally ill people together. I also said many people have mental illness and do not go round killing people. It's like stepping on egg shells.

    The crux of my issue is that in this case whether the terrorist is of the fascist right a lot of the media, press hacks etc refer to the perpetrator as a "lone nutter" which white washes the actual political motivations which in this case there does seem to be a strong case he was a neo-fascist. When a Islamic terrorist (who may have mental problems) the same media, press hacks etc always focus on the ideology and not the mental illness.
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    (Original post by Quantex)
    I'm surprised you haven't heard of David Copeland. Murdered three people and injured dozens using nail bombs in a short reign of terror.
    lol i'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not but just goes to prove my point of how little a problem far-right terrorism in this country is if the example is from 17 years ago.

    Edit: i was barely alive when this incident took place.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    I deliberate didn't lump all mentally ill people together. I also said many people have mental illness and do not go round killing people. It's like stepping on egg shells.

    The crux of my issue is that in this case whether the terrorist is of the fascist right a lot of the media, press hacks etc refer to the perpetrator as a "lone nutter" which white washes the actual political motivations which in this case there does seem to be a strong case he was a neo-fascist. When a Islamic terrorist (who may have mental problems) the same media, press hacks etc always focus on the ideology and not the mental illness.
    Another difference is in this case, he seems to have acted alone. This supports the 'lone-wolf nut' accusation. With muslim terrorists, many many attacks have been carried out as a group which points more towards a group belief rather than individual nuts who just so happen to find each other.
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    Police reporting that Nazi regalia has been found at his house as well as far right literature and a handbook bought from a neo-Nazi group on how to build a gun.

    Of course though he wasn't far right. He was just mentally ill like all far right people who commit terrorist attacks. It was probably the remain camp wasn't it?
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    (Original post by Sun_Bear)
    Another difference is in this case, he seems to have acted alone. This supports the 'lone-wolf nut' accusation. With muslim terrorists, many many attacks have been carried out as a group which points more towards a group belief rather than individual nuts who just so happen to find each other.
    That isn't actually true. The lee rigby killing was perpetrated by a "lone wolf". As was the Orlando shooting. Just like what has happened here. They get inspired by their respective politics but they are not "foot soldiers" of either ISIS or Britain First even though they may or may not kill in the name of that ideology. It can be as isolated as reading internet articles and books. Then deciding to go kill people in the name of your politics without being a member of any terrorist group.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    I deliberate didn't lump all mentally ill people together. I also said many people have mental illness and do not go round killing people. It's like stepping on egg shells.

    The crux of my issue is that in this case whether the terrorist is of the fascist right a lot of the media, press hacks etc refer to the perpetrator as a "lone nutter" which white washes the actual political motivations which in this case there does seem to be a strong case he was a neo-fascist. When a Islamic terrorist (who may have mental problems) the same media, press hacks etc always focus on the ideology and not the mental illness.
    I'm not the media and I specifically said most terrorists (of this nature, in western countries) have underlying mental health issues. Including Islamic terrorists. That in no way excuses them, or lessens their actions. I'm not white either, I have no pro-white agenda before someone accuses me of racism. Nor am I right-wing. Of course he had political motivations, of course he was a far-right terrorist.

    I find it strange that the hard-left are getting so butthurt about his ideology not being blamed though. They're usually the ones complaining that Islam is being blamed in most terrorist attacks.
 
 
 
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