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    (Original post by Gora The Xplorer)
    Naturally I'm quite left-wing, but the more time I spend with leftists, the more I swing to the right. I'm definitely of the overindulged, over-privileged champagne socialist background, but even I know that a 60 year old man who worked a trade for 40 years and raised a family, knows so much more about life than a 22 year old graduate in political science who reads the Guardian. At least working class people have humility.
    That's true. I do think people who are "educated" (and I hesitate to use that word since it refers entirely to academic education and not to "life" education) tend to be quite forward in implying what they believe is true is absolute and undeniable truth. Whereas with working class people I frequently hear them say, "I don't pretend to be an expert on the matter, but ____ is what I personally think and here's why." I can't claim to have representative knowledge, but from personal experience I've noticed "educated" young people can be incredibly judgemental and aggressive.

    Heck, I do kind of consider myself middle-class and reasonably "educated" (I have A levels and am hoping to go to a good university in October). But I think sometimes we can be too arrogant in what we assume is right. And perhaps sometimes it pays to take a leaf out of another social group's book and try and see things from their perspective.
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    (Original post by Gora The Xplorer)


    Look at this, it's disgusting. This person is not a member of the same species as me. Older people who experienced rationing, fought Nazis, created the NHS vs Safespace Sally and her problem glasses.
    I would be able to take arguments for Remain more seriously if people didn't constantly include the word "racism". This is about controlled immigration, not racism (and there are so many other arguments other than the immigration card). By the logic of the Remainers, every single non-EU country with border controls is racist.

    Most Europeans are white. People from non-EU countries (the ones being discriminated against in terms of immigration) are frequently not white. So the "race" argument makes absolutely no sense to me. We voted against uncontrolled European immigration, not against immigration as a whole.
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    I really hope the situation in NI does not come to a border poll. The majority here I am certain do not want a united Ireland- even nationalists because it would destroy us. The area I am from in NI had a majority leave vote and all adults I know voted leave too. The largest party in NI (the DUP) have 10 more seats that the main nationalist party (28 vs 38 seats). Therefore, even though overall in NI we voted remain I am 99% sure we would not vote to join the Republic.


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    (Original post by AnnieGakusei)
    I would be able to take arguments for Remain more seriously if people didn't constantly include the word "racism". This is about controlled immigration, not racism (and there are so many other arguments other than the immigration card). By the logic of the Remainers, every single non-EU country with border controls is racist.

    Most Europeans are white. People from non-EU countries (the ones being discriminated against in terms of immigration) are frequently not white. So the "race" argument makes absolutely no sense to me. We voted against uncontrolled European immigration, not against immigration as a whole.
    They call it racist because there's no rational basis to oppose EU immigration.

    We have EU immigration and non-EU immigration. We have full control over non-EU immigration and partial control over EU immigration (EU citizens have to go through normal border security, and we can reject criminals, contrary to popular myths).

    Non-EU immigrants contribute 2% more to the economy than they take out in welfare and services. EU immigrants contribute 34% more.

    EU immigrants are over 10% more likely to be university educated than non-EU immigrants.

    There are more non-EU immigrants than EU immigrants.

    Why would you make a big fuss over EU immigrants taking your jobs? Most of the immigrants we get that end up in low-skill work are from outside the EU.

    Why would you try to dismantle a 40 year union so we can "control immigration" when most of the problematic immigration has absolutely nothing to do with the EU? The immigration THAT WE CONTROL is significantly worse than the immigration from the EU that we don't control. We could reduce the number of unskilled workers coming here significantly right now, but instead people decided that we need to bring down the EU.

    There's no logical reasoning for it. It doesn't make sense.
 
 
 
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