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    (Original post by The Epicurean)
    There is quite a strong correlation between wage levels and likelihood of voting for leave. Should we also call into question whether people who earn below £14/hour should allowed to vote?



    http://www.resolutionfoundation.org/...nd-inequality/
    Inexact analogy tbh. If we can agree the income recession is going to destabilise a lot of uk's and europe's economy then we can conclude the youth will have put up with this nonsense a lot a lot longer than the 65+ - who probably won't stick around to see the worst of what they voted for.
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    (Original post by stevey396)
    What have you contributed to Britain OP? A big fat NOTHING. It should be the under 25s and unemployed who are unable to vote.
    Assumptions, you don't even know who the OP is.
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    The old people and the whole Leave voters (including me) saved your arse. We saved your arse from falling into a dictatorship. Our economy and wages were already under strain. Why carry on being in the EU? We are better off now. It will take a bit of time but we will be better off.
    I thank God for the victory.
    Thank God all you wish.
    If being apart of the EU is like a dictatorship, what exactly is being religious? Islam in particular.
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    (Original post by jamiep151)
    They've paid taxes for around 40 years, how much have you paid?
    More than Facebook had until earlier this year.

    They have also received the more back than any other generation have or will; free education, amazing pensions and having lower taxes from a younger age. Now we will pay the current tax rate or higher.
    It won't go down due to us leaving the EU.
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    (Original post by TangOne)
    More than Facebook had until earlier this year.

    They have also received the more back than any other generation have or will; free education, amazing pensions and having lower taxes from a younger age. Now we will pay the current tax rate or higher.
    It won't go down due to us leaving the EU.
    Lower taxes-when was that I missed it and I am not yet 65. Taxes were higher in the 70s than now, even in the 1980s they were in the main higher, through the 90s they were not incredibly low.

    When did they benefit from these low taxes? Vast numbers do not have great pensions, in fact I suspect those with great pensions were more likely to vote Remain if the polling data reads as I believe it reads.

    There are a large number over 65 whose careers got half destroyed in the 1970s and 1980s and never recovered, the industries they worked in never recovered.

    Whilst I am not a strong advocate of Leave I have had concerns re EU direction, as have the majority , I have a reasonably comfortable life but still only voted Remain with reservations. I do appreciate that a fair few were not so lucky; or do they not deserve a voice?

    The key now is forget blame, forget everything, encourage our politicians to do what the electorate has directed. If it is not for some, if they cannot deal with democracy, they can do what they like, make their own destinies, democracy tends to give such opportunities.

    A fair few over 65 did exactly that.when their careers went down the pan in the 1970s and 1980s, it is amazing what being positive can achieve.
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    * facepalm* It's post like this that makes me feel maybe it's best that 16-17 years old shouldn't vote. Really guys?
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    (Original post by TaintedLight)
    Their inability to understand economics has just made my life more difficult ?
    ha ha ha ha !!!
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    I suppose you would have us do to old people what the Nazis wanted?

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    They have contributed so much to our country, worked longer than anyone else and have fought for our freedom and sovereignty. Why should they not be given the democratic right to decide the future of the nation they have done so much for?
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    The old people and the whole Leave voters (including me) saved your arse. We saved your arse from falling into a dictatorship. Our economy and wages were already under strain. Why carry on being in the EU? We are better off now. It will take a bit of time but we will be better off.
    I thank God for the victory.
    That's funny, I thought the economy was Insert Last Government's fault. Apparently the economy is always failing and it's whoever the enemy is' fault, except when it's defending the current government, in which case the economy is improving!

    I didn't realise George Osborne was shackled by the EU which stopped him giving workers the living wage, and instead he was force to just increase the minimum wage a little bit more and innocently call it the living wage to pass it off as the actual Living Wage. That must've broken his heart.
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    (Original post by DJKL)
    Lower taxes-when was that I missed it and I am not yet 65. Taxes were higher in the 70s than now, even in the 1980s they were in the main higher, through the 90s they were not incredibly low.

    When did they benefit from these low taxes? Vast numbers do not have great pensions, in fact I suspect those with great pensions were more likely to vote Remain if the polling data reads as I believe it reads.

    There are a large number over 65 whose careers got half destroyed in the 1970s and 1980s and never recovered, the industries they worked in never recovered.

    Whilst I am not a strong advocate of Leave I have had concerns re EU direction, as have the majority , I have a reasonably comfortable life but still only voted Remain with reservations. I do appreciate that a fair few were not so lucky; or do they not deserve a voice?

    The key now is forget blame, forget everything, encourage our politicians to do what the electorate has directed. If it is not for some, if they cannot deal with democracy, they can do what they like, make their own destinies, democracy tends to give such opportunities.

    A fair few over 65 did exactly that.when their careers went down the pan in the 1970s and 1980s, it is amazing what being positive can achieve.
    I am not going to lie, but as a young person I feel mislead by every source I read/hear/watch. For years I have heard older people complain about taxes getting higher and 'baby boomers' essentially 'taking(receiving)' everything. Do you have a source I can read, as I legitimately feel uneducated about previous taxation and real politics with no bias (I understand this doesn't exist, but yano some reliable facts would be nice).

    I do believe EVERYONE should have a vote, in reality. But when the media shows interviews of people 65+, all they seemed to comment on is immigrants 'stealing' jobs. When in reality, this does not effect them (I presume), unless it is their children/ grandchildren who are affected; of which I have heard no real stories about (not even a Facebook sob story that has been over shared). It gives me the opinion the majority of 65+'s are very short sighted/unaware or just racist.

    I guess my previous statement was fueled by anger/unhappiness from the result and just wanting someone to blame. I do believe in a full democracy. It just feels slightly unfair that I will have to live with their decision for the rest of my life while they have already lived a full life and seem to have voted out for a test, to see what happens. 'We'll see what happens, it can't get much worse'.
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    (Original post by Ladymusiclover)
    * facepalm* It's post like this that makes me feel maybe it's best that 16-17 years old shouldn't vote. Really guys?
    Explain please

    Edit: Attached graphic which will hopefully turn down your arrogance

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    (Original post by TangOne)
    I am not going to lie, but as a young person I feel mislead by every source I read/hear/watch. For years I have heard older people complain about taxes getting higher and 'baby boomers' essentially 'taking(receiving)' everything. Do you have a source I can read, as I legitimately feel uneducated about previous taxation and real politics with no bias (I understand this doesn't exist, but yano some reliable facts would be nice).

    I do believe EVERYONE should have a vote, in reality. But when the media shows interviews of people 65+, all they seemed to comment on is immigrants 'stealing' jobs. When in reality, this does not effect them (I presume), unless it is their children/ grandchildren who are affected; of which I have heard no real stories about (not even a Facebook sob story that has been over shared). It gives me the opinion the majority of 65+'s are very short sighted/unaware or just racist.

    I guess my previous statement was fueled by anger/unhappiness from the result and just wanting someone to blame. I do believe in a full democracy. It just feels slightly unfair that I will have to live with their decision for the rest of my life while they have already lived a full life and seem to have voted out for a test, to see what happens. 'We'll see what happens, it can't get much worse'.
    From wiki-the notorious 98% rate on investment income for those in the highest rate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...m#20th_century

    In 1971 the top rate of income tax on earned income was cut to 75%. A surcharge of 15% kept the top rate on investment income at 90%.In 1974 the cut was partly reversed and the top rate on earned income was raised to 83%. With the investment income surcharge this raised the top rate on investment income to 98%, the highest permanent rate since the war. This applied to incomes over £20,000 (£187,970 as of 2015),[7]. In 1974 750,000 people were liable to pay the top-rate of income tax.[16]

    Margaret Thatcher, who favoured indirect taxation, reduced personal income tax rates during the 1980s.[17] In the first budget after her election victory in 1979, the top rate was reduced from 83% to 60% and the basic rate from 33% to 30%.[18] The basic rate was also cut for three successive budgets - to 29% in the 1986 budget, 27% in 1987 and to 25% in 1988.[19] The top rate of income tax was cut to 40% in the 1988 budget. The investment income surcharge was abolished in 1985.

    And here is the Beatles song, Taxman, listen to the lyrics. Beatles found paying 95% painful.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8OgkjcW0g4
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    why are young people allowed to vote?
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    Not only are you disrespectful, you are ****ing stupid
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    Firstly, 65 these days is hardly ancient, if Corbyn becomes PM he will be 71 if that day comes, secondly they are probably in the best possible position to vote because they've had more life experience.
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    (Original post by TaintedLight)
    Explain please

    Edit: Attached graphic which will hopefully turn down your arrogance


    Dont worry the EU probably won't survive 69 years in its present form.
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    Basically you're too old if you're not on their side, socialists only like democracy when it works for them.
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    (Original post by TaintedLight)
    Explain please

    Edit: Attached graphic which will hopefully turn down your arrogance

    A young person's vote is just as equal to older person. Yes it was older people who mainly voted to leave the EU. But 50-64 year olds also mainly wanted to leave too. We live in a democracy. Crying and moaning won't do much. Come on now let's try and make this work now.
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    An 18 year old might die tomorrow. A 65 year old might live for 35 more years with the consequences of their decision. It's democracy.

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