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    Jeremy Corbyn
    479
    46.10%
    Tom Watson
    43
    4.14%
    Angela Eagle
    62
    5.97%
    Hilary Benn
    90
    8.66%
    Yvette Cooper
    51
    4.91%
    Andy Burnham
    76
    7.31%
    Dan Jarvis
    38
    3.66%
    Someone else
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    (Original post by MrJAKEE)
    I'll be honest but most of those mentioned are terrible. Dan Jarvis would be a good pick but he doesn't want to stand. For some reason people like Chukka but I don't see why. I've heard many people online say that the Labour party need a young leader who is similar to Justin Trudeau aka Tony Blair, but I don't know any upcoming labour MPs that could be PM post referendum.
    That was supposed to be Chukka but he just couldn't handle it when push came to shove. I suspect things are a bit more tame in Canada though, for one thing, they don't have quite the aggressive media that we do.
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    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    I have added him in. Let me know if anyone wants to change their vote
    Oh thanks Puddles, that's great.
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    Jeremy Corbyn is not the right person to lead Labour. Do you really think an idealist who's never done a job in his entire life is going to win-over a hardened British electorate? The UK needs a government which will stand to represent all the people in it, and at a time where immigration and the economy are both poignant issues, a socialist who supports endless migration to the UK and heavy taxes on large corporations is a toxic combination for Labour come the General Election. As much as the Labour Party members might like Corbyn, his leadership has led to an exodus amongst the working class to the likes of UKIP, as well as turning-off moderate voters to the Conservatives. The Labour Party cannot win the election by winning seats in metropolitan areas and therefore Corbyn is burying his and his party's own grave.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    There have been a few articles in the media. There's a theory doing the rounds in Westminster that the party will eventually turn to him out of desperation.

    Perhaps it won't be the Labour Party though. :teehee:

    Actually, with the party perhaps splitting imminently, I think we might soon have two Labour Parties on our hands. So perhaps Blair can lead one and Corbyn the other.
    2016 is so depressing...
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    That was supposed to be Chukka but he just couldn't handle it when push came to shove. I suspect things are a bit more tame in Canada though, for one thing, they don't have quite the aggressive media that we do.
    I agree. Image counts for a lot these days, and what I can say for sure is that Corbyn's has been severely damaged in the past couple of days. Anyone but Corbyn would be appropriate.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    It would be funny to see Labour try it, and completely miss the point about what happened to their vote. Also we have Chilcott coming up, where he is getting an arse kicking. More money and less stress for him doing other stuff.
    It wouldn't be the Labour Party if it actually listened to people.

    I by no means think they will bring him back, bit it's not as if any of the potential candidates will transform the party into a true reflection of the working class and take notice of the glaring anti-EU/establishment/immigration sentiment within it. It has become a joke.

    It is time labour had someone who listened to the electorate rather than telling it what it should believe from its ivory tower.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Well, same answer - I think David died the death as future leader when he buckled under pressure the first time.

    The real shame of the current situation is Hilary Benn, who would be very effective as leader and would certainly outdo Johnson or May in the Commons. Can't think why he won't stand, it's almost like he's scared, which I suppose rules him out anyway, but still a pity.
    Buckled? The only thing that happened to him was that the unions didn't think they could manipulate him as well as they could his mawkish brother. He was the better politician by a long way.

    Benn would be good, but lost himself support from the Labour activists when he supported action over Syria (despite being right) and will now forever be seen as the person who kicked off this guff over Corbyn (despite being right).
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    (Original post by Desi123)
    Corbyn
    A socialist who's never had a proper job? Who doesn't have a formal education? Who has never been in a position in government? Who wants to bring back mines? Who has alienated 3/4 of his MPs? Who is an idealist?

    You should get back to your AS levels.
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    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    2016 is so depressing...
    Sometimes we need periods of chaos and uncertainty to create a better start for the future, but this one certainly feels bad on all fronts. I particularly feel angry that Labour are so weak at the moment and that is essentially why the chinless wonders in the Tory and UKIP ranks managed to mobilise part of the working class for their racist-tinged public school adventure game. Unfortunately, their game had consequences.
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    (Original post by jake4198)
    A socialist who's never had a proper job? Who doesn't have a formal education? Who has never been in a position in government? Who wants to bring back mines? Who has alienated 3/4 of his MPs? Who is an idealist?

    You should get back to your AS levels.
    0/10 counter troll attempt
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Buckled? The only thing that happened to him was that the unions didn't think they could manipulate him as well as they could his mawkish brother. He was the better politician by a long way.

    Benn would be good, but lost himself support from the Labour activists when he supported action over Syria (despite being right) and will now forever be seen as the person who kicked off this guff over Corbyn (despite being right).
    Well perhaps 'buckled' was the wrong word - 'beaten' then. I was really thinking that he seemed limp in the campaign, even compared to Ed, who is hardly in the prize fighter school of politics.
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    (Original post by Desi123)
    0/10 counter troll attempt
    Challenging a leftist on their views = troll.

    I'm used to being called a racist, sexist and homophobe for challenging progressives, but that's a new one.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Sometimes we need periods of chaos and uncertainty to create a better start for the future, but this one certainly feels bad on all fronts. I particularly feel angry that Labour are so weak at the moment and that is essentially why the chinless wonders in the Tory and UKIP ranks managed to mobilise part of the working class for their racist-tinged public school adventure game. Unfortunately, their game had consequences.
    The saddest thing about this for me is that the real effects aren't going to be felt for a few years to come, by which point everyone will fail to connect the dots because humans have short memories.

    I'm also frustrated by Labour - I really like Corbyn but I wish he was a bit more pragmatic and had appointed more moderate cabinet members. I don't know how Labour will come back after this.
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    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    The saddest thing about this for me is that the real effects aren't going to be felt for a few years to come, by which point everyone will fail to connect the dots because humans have short memories.

    I'm also frustrated by Labour - I really like Corbyn but I wish he was a bit more pragmatic and had appointed more moderate cabinet members. I don't know how Labour will come back after this.
    He tried the latter, but the truth is that he's not a natural leader or an effective manager and he mainly succeeded in pissing them off by not working with them, which begs the question as to why he appointed them in the first place.

    Impressed by the way to see this as the sidebar poll, it's nice to see the topic getting a high profile.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    He tried the latter, but the truth is that he's not a natural leader or an effective manager and he mainly succeeded in pissing them off by not working with them, which begs the question as to why he appointed them in the first place.

    Impressed by the way to see this as the sidebar poll, it's nice to see the topic getting a high profile.
    Who do you want?
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    A big lol, I think this is what would happen in the real one too, unless they manage to stop Corbyn being on the list lol
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Who would make the best Labour leader going forwards?

    This person has to deal with a rudderless country that will drift into increasing chaos under an ideological Tory government obsessed with austerity and the destruction of public services. There will be nobody to defend against that without strong leadership.

    Unfortunately, that seems to be lacking. Corbyn is a decent man, but he seems incapable of brief political statements, soundbites or concisely giving his views, he has a hatred of being interviewed, hardly a useful attribute for a top politician and he is slow and unconvincing in Parliament. He surely must go.

    Who is best to replace him?

    * Dan Jarvis - solid centrist appeal and has a good media image, but not necessarily popular with Labour members
    * Tom Watson - likeable, does well in media but seems difficult to picture as PM or leader.
    * Angela Eagle - does well in Parliament, comes across badly on media
    * Andy Burnham - very flat and unconvincing
    * Hilary Benn - the obvious choice and Prime Ministerial but says he won't stand, inexplicably
    * Yvette Cooper - is a serious and experienced politician but seems to lack something
    * Jeremy Corbyn - see above.

    Who should do the job??

    Will it help? Or have Labour's problems become unfixable?
    The leader that they have already is the best one to move them forwards.

    The people trying to push him out are largely blairites who are soft tories


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    (Original post by interact)
    Who do you want?
    I would vote for Hilary Benn if he was standing. I think he could win and that would be nothing but good, as the current Tory Party are a horrible bunch of creeps and good-for-nothings apparently determined to wreck everything that's worth having in the country. I hope he does decide to stand after all.
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    (Original post by paul514)
    The leader that they have already is the best one to move them forwards.

    The people trying to push him out are largely blairites who are soft tories


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    That just isn't true any more - nearly all of the MPs and leading figures even on the left have dumped him - only fairly well out on the hard left figures like Len McLuskey and Diane Abbot are still whistling a Jeremy tune.
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    Tom Watson is the only viable leader
 
 
 
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