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    (Original post by remiremi)
    And gun laws do not make either magically disappear as proven over the last year in France at the Bataclan, Turkey with Instanbul, or Dublin in Ireland.

    Terrorists and criminals will always get their hands on "assault weapons", they do not follow gun laws.

    Armed police can not be everywhere so Concealed carry in the case of the US is the answer, hence why more states are allowing it.
    Lmao, this is a very hilarious one-dimensional style of arguing.

    "There's no point in banning guns because they will always be able to get guns" - does it occur to you that some of these shootings happen because of the fact that guns are so readily available? The fact that some angry person can just go and buy a gun is often a factor which makes these people do it - because its an easy way out and allows them to kill a lot of people, whereas in the UK if you wanted to do that it would be massively less practical.
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    (Original post by nexttimeigetvpn)
    Lmao, this is a very hilarious one-dimensional style of arguing.
    it's called reality

    There are 300+ MILLION guns in the US, so a ban would never even be feasible. They are not going away.

    Shootings will always happen no matter what, it is a numbers game and in this case concealed carry (which includes a lot of background checks and training) is the answer so people can defend themselves from stuff like Home invasions, hijackings or terrorism.
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    (Original post by remiremi)
    it's called reality

    There are 300+ MILLION guns in the US, so a ban would never even be feasible. They are not going away.

    Shootings will always happen no matter what, it is a numbers game and in this case concealed carry (which includes a lot of background checks and training) is the answer so people can defend themselves from stuff like Home invasions, hijackings or terrorism.
    Again, its stupid to assume that it will have no effect because of the number of guns. Omar Mateen, and many other of these shooters brought their guns just a few days before committing the shooting. And an assault weapon ban doesn't just mean stop selling AR15s, it means retrieving them from all the stupid NRA-supporting republican gun owners - its that or they will continue to see thousands of shootings every year. Its impractical and ambitious, but thats what they have to do.
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    (Original post by nexttimeigetvpn)
    Again, its stupid to assume that it will have no effect because of the number of guns.
    And yet again you ignore my entire point

    300+ million guns, they are not going to magically disappear like you say.

    In a country like the US where guns outnumber citizens concealed carry is the answer to stop mass shootings and stuff like home invasions.

    In the case of Omar Marteen florida actually allows concealed carry permits, if the owner had made sure one of the security members/bouncers in the club was trained and armed this whole shooting could have been avoided. Sadly all those victems were defenseless against the terrorist while police took hours to breach and enter the building.
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    (Original post by remiremi)
    And yet again you ignore my entire point

    300+ million guns, they are not going to magically disappear like you say.

    In a country like the US where guns outnumber citizens concealed carry is the answer to stop mass shootings and stuff like home invasions.

    In the case of Omar Marteen florida actually allows concealed carry permits, if the owner had made sure one of the security members/bouncers in the club was trained and armed this whole shooting could have been avoided. Sadly all those victems were defenseless against the terrorist while police took hours to breach and enter the building.
    I'm not calling for banning all 300 million guns. I'm calling for banning assault rifles.

    And you're ignoring the facts LMFAO. There were police at the Orlando nightclub almost immediately - they saved lots of lived and forced him into the bathroom, did you not follow the news at all or something? That shows you dumb people that no matter how many people have guns, shooters will always be able to kill dozens in such a short amount of time. The same thing cannot be achieved with handguns, and its why AR15s and all other stupid assault weapons need to be banned.
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    (Original post by physicsphysics91)
    Deputies said 32-year-old Jody Ray Thompson pulled out a gun after getting into an argument with another man and fired several rounds toward a crowd that had gathered out in front of the club.

    "His rounds struck 3 victims, and almost struck a fourth victim, who in self-defense, pulled his own weapon and fired, striking Thompson in the leg," Lt. Kevin Bobo said.

    Bobo said the man who shot Thompson has a valid concealed weapons permit, cooperated with investigators, and won’t be facing any charges.

    http://www.wistv.com/story/32308903/...l-at-nightclub

    The left-wing media fails to report this and only ever seems to cover how guns are bad and must be banned. Obama has to be the worst president ever, literally just a publicity figure :rofl:
    The reason the 'left-wing media' isn't reporting this is because a typical year in the US has more mass shootings than days. Let that sink in for a bit. In America, a nightclub shooting with zero fatalities is slow news day material.
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    (Original post by remiremi)
    And gun laws do not make either magically disappear as proven over the last year in France at the Bataclan, Turkey with Instanbul, or Dublin in Ireland.

    Terrorists and criminals will always get their hands on "assault weapons", they do not follow gun laws.

    Armed police can not be everywhere so concealed carry in the case of the US is the answer, hence why more states are allowing it.
    no it wouldn't , neither does giving everyone guns will make gun violence magically disappear. Even though it is not even logical to believe it will.

    Also you seem to quote me without any relevance to my point. Its almost like you agreed with me. Fact is semi automated or assault weapon or whatever fancy terms people want to use, it does not matter as it does not change the fact that AR-15 is a highly lethal weapon, is going to cause more death when used than say a hand gun or a knife.
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    (Original post by remiremi)
    And gun laws do not make either magically disappear as proven over the last year in France at the Bataclan, Turkey with Instanbul, or Dublin in Ireland.

    Terrorists and criminals will always get their hands on "assault weapons", they do not follow gun laws.

    Armed police can not be everywhere so concealed carry in the case of the US is the answer, hence why more states are allowing it.
    You can't compare the situation in America with that in Turkey or any European country.
    In America they don't even need terrorists! A madman or someone who is simply having a bad day is enough to kill more people than a terrorist if he has a gun available.Between 2001 and 2013 there have been 406,000 deaths by firearms( homocides,accidents and suicides) while 3,380 people have been killed by terrorists.
    Its crazy that Americans are so scared of terrorism when they are literally in more danger of being killed in school shooting!
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Perhaps if the man who pulled the gun hadnt had one in the first place, then there would be no attack to deter?
    How many homicides due to guns are there in the US compared to the UK? Per 100,000 will do.
    Who says he had one legally
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    (Original post by SentryE3D)
    Oh, okay then. Guns must be great because only 4 people got shot.


    Dumbass.
    Lessers of two evils...
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    (Original post by physicsphysics91)
    Deputies said 32-year-old Jody Ray Thompson pulled out a gun after getting into an argument with another man and fired several rounds toward a crowd that had gathered out in front of the club.

    "His rounds struck 3 victims, and almost struck a fourth victim, who in self-defense, pulled his own weapon and fired, striking Thompson in the leg," Lt. Kevin Bobo said.

    Bobo said the man who shot Thompson has a valid concealed weapons permit, cooperated with investigators, and won’t be facing any charges.

    http://www.wistv.com/story/32308903/...l-at-nightclub

    The left-wing media fails to report this and only ever seems to cover how guns are bad and must be banned. Obama has to be the worst president ever, literally just a publicity figure :rofl:
    Strong logic on your part....nobody knows about new story where buy uses guns to save people lives, so the logical conclusion from that is obviously Obama is not a good president :rolleyes:

    God, I really do worry about the human race these days

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    (Original post by physicsphysics91)
    Deputies said 32-year-old Jody Ray Thompson pulled out a gun after getting into an argument with another man and fired several rounds toward a crowd that had gathered out in front of the club.

    "His rounds struck 3 victims, and almost struck a fourth victim, who in self-defense, pulled his own weapon and fired, striking Thompson in the leg," Lt. Kevin Bobo said.

    Bobo said the man who shot Thompson has a valid concealed weapons permit, cooperated with investigators, and won’t be facing any charges.

    http://www.wistv.com/story/32308903/...l-at-nightclub

    The left-wing media fails to report this and only ever seems to cover how guns are bad and must be banned. Obama has to be the worst president ever, literally just a publicity figure :rofl:
    Well if guns were banned then perhaps neither man would have had a gun, meaning four fewer people would have been shot


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Well if guns were banned then perhaps neither man would have had a gun, meaning four fewer people would have been shot


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    The worrying this about this incident is that it demonstrates how close you are to armed members of the public in the USA, without really being aware of it. And members of the public are not noted to be particularly rational when they get angry.
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    (Original post by remiremi)
    And gun laws do not make either magically disappear as proven over the last year in France at the Bataclan, Turkey with Instanbul, or Dublin in Ireland.

    Terrorists and criminals will always get their hands on "assault weapons", they do not follow gun laws.

    Armed police can not be everywhere so concealed carry in the case of the US is the answer, hence why more states are allowing it.
    Funny how you say this. Because the number of criminals in the UK armed with guns has been pretty damned low for quite some time.
    When Croydon boys go up against the Brixton massive I know I might see a death, possibly couple injured from stabbings.
    Rather different than 4 dead from somone going crazy and spray firing with a scorpion, or wildly firing a handgun in the general direction of their target (hitting several bystanders).

    Some criminals will always get their hands on guns. You are right. But some kids will always get their hands on mummys pill box. Doesn't mean you should leave them on the floor ina big tin labelled sweeties. The harder you make it, the less will happen. The stats pretty much confirm this.

    The one and ONLY reason for americans to keep free access to guns is because their constitution says they can and so they will. There are not stats to back up this behaviour and never will be. It will never be safer for joe public or the state.

    DOI - Have dealt with many many stabbings professionally and all of about 3 shootings (and one of those was a repatriation from a shooting abroad)
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    The worrying this about this incident is that it demonstrates how close you are to armed members of the public in the USA, without really being aware of it. And members of the public are not noted to be particularly rational when they get angry.
    I find this argument of 'if everyone has guns they can defend themselves' ridiculous. Yes you can defend yourself but you're also instantly capable of killing anyone.

    I'd love to live in America but it's guns that puts me off. I find it so weird to thing your neighbour have a gun in their bedside cabinet


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Well if guns were banned then perhaps neither man would have had a gun, meaning four fewer people would have been shot


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    If guns were banned people would still have them.
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    Ah yes let's enact this in the UK then, let's allow the purchasing of guns on a US-style scale and see how well things go down. Can't wait to see all the stories of heroic protection considering owning guns clearly can do no wrong.
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    (Original post by physicsphysics91)
    If guns were banned people would still have them.
    But far fewer people would have them hence why gun murders per capita are about 30 times higher in the USA than the UK. From 1968 to 2011 there were more deaths from guns in the USA than the total amount of soldiers killed from the war of independence all the way up to Iraq, they clearly have a problem.


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    Such a nonsensical argument for guns.

    "We need guns to stop people with guns shooting people. To stop people with guns shooting people, people with guns need to shoot people".

    :facepalm2:
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    If you see a child in the playground hitting the other kids with a stick, do you give all the other kids sticks - or do you take the stick away from the first kid?
 
 
 
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