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    A referendum is advisory not binding. All the PM did was promise a referendum, which he said he would present to parliament. It has to go before Parliament for approval and must be in the best interest of the country, then approved. These matters take time. Additionally, the few other referendums were post legislation not pre. Once approved, the PM and gov will then decide if he wants to invoke article 50.
    Until then it is an internal matter, of no consequence to the eu. That the press has decided it is inevitable is their ignorance and desire to create turbulence.
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    If they delay it for long then the referendum will not be valid. It would be an old referendum and the government will say they don't need to follow the result of an old referendum from past years.
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    (Original post by RoyalMarine)
    If they delay it for long then the referendum will not be valid. It would be an old referendum and the government will say they don't need to follow the result of an old referendum from past years.
    Stop making stuff up.
    They need to wait till they know who the PM will be and what their strategy will be in negotiating Brexit. It would be plain stupid to start the clock ticking until this is known.

    the fact youd like to rush into it like a headless chicken with zero plan or direction just illustrates you fail to appreciate how complex and challenging all the issues about Brexit will be.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Stop making stuff up.
    They need to wait till they know who the PM will be and what their strategy will be in negotiating Brexit. It would be plain stupid to start the clock ticking until this is known.

    the fact youd like to rush into it like a headless chicken with zero plan or direction just illustrates you fail to appreciate how complex and challenging all the issues about Brexit will be.
    Gove said he will not invoke article 50 this year. So it's not about having the new PM. They just want to delay it the most and no Brexit at all.
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    (Original post by RoyalMarine)
    Gove said he will not invoke article 50 this year. So it's not about having the new PM. They just want to delay it the most and no Brexit at all.
    He's not PM. Weve been in 40 years why cant you just have some appreciation its complex?
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    He's not PM. Weve been in 40 years why cant you just have some appreciation its complex?
    He was one of the most influent campaigners for Leave and he says that. They already know the main points of the deal,there is only one reason to delay and that's they don't want it. Then in 2017 the new PM will say something else, another delay then in 2020 the referendum will not be valid anymore.
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    There should have been a team in place who had researched and put together various packages and plans and worked out which laws would be affected etc.
    The leave team prepared none of this and Cameron demanded none, nor did he have an idea of what the eu would give him if the government chose to approve the vote exit. This was quite a failing.
    This is also not a unilateral process since matters have to be agreed betwen the eu and uk, which can only be done after 50 is invoked, with no pre talks, so the uk is screwed if it leaves, because Cameron expected business as usual. It could still be business as usual. But if parliament decides it is in the best interest of the country to leave, it wil take the lawyers a few years to work out how, and 50 can't be invoked until they know. The only people,who will benefit for a few years are the lawyers, and they don't live up north.
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    (Original post by RoyalMarine)
    He was one of the most influent campaigners for Leave and he says that. They already know the main points of the deal,there is only one reason to delay and that's they don't want it. Then in 2017 the new PM will say something else, another delay then in 2020 the referendum will not be valid anymore.
    Exactly.
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    (Original post by RoyalMarine)
    He was one of the most influent campaigners for Leave and he says that. They already know the main points of the deal,there is only one reason to delay and that's they don't want it. Then in 2017 the new PM will say something else, another delay then in 2020 the referendum will not be valid anymore.
    He's not PM though. Only the PM can make the declaration under Article 50 because only they are the rep of the UK government. How do you not understand that?

    You really dont appreciate how complex an issue it is.

    Do you wnat access to the single market?
    Will you allow free movement of people?
    If you dont then will you be ok having no access or improved trading rights with the EU?
    Do you wnat to join EFTA?
    How much will you pay to join?

    There are a z.illion issues to cover
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    (Original post by Theplace)
    There should have been a team in place who had researched and put together various packages and plans and worked out which laws would be affected etc.
    The leave team prepared none of this and Cameron demanded none, nor did he have an idea of what the eu would give him if the government chose to approve the vote exit. This was quite a failing.
    This is also not a unilateral process since matters have to be agreed betwen the eu and uk, which can only be done after 50 is invoked, with no pre talks, so the uk is screwed if it leaves, because Cameron expected business as usual. It could still be business as usual. But if parliament decides it is in the best interest of the country to leave, it wil take the lawyers a few years to work out how, and 50 can't be invoked until they know. The only people,who will benefit for a few years are the lawyers, and they don't live up north.
    I like how leavers blame anyone but themselves that they have no plan for leaving.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    He's not PM though. Only the PM can make the declaration under Article 50 because only they are the rep of the UK government. How do you not understand that?

    You really dont appreciate how complex an issue it is.

    Do you wnat access to the single market?
    Will you allow free movement of people?
    If you dont then will you be ok having no access or improved trading rights with the EU?
    Do you wnat to join EFTA?
    How much will you pay to join?

    There are a z.illion issues to cover
    Gove is probably the new PM and he was the most influent Tory for Leave. Is 50 years enough then? There is no point delaying because there is no table with the EU if no article 50 is invoked. None of the questions you made are being discussed with the EU without article 50. It's just an excuse,no exit in 2016,nor 2017,2018,more delays then we stay in the EU.
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    Invoking it now would be stupid as its just what the EU want. We should invoke it when it suits us and use it as leverage.
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    (Original post by Maker)
    I like how leavers blame anyone but themselves that they have no plan for leaving.
    David Cameron was responsible for creating a leave plan, seeing as he was the prime minister and ordered the referendum you ****
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    (Original post by welshiee)
    Invoking it now would be stupid as its just what the EU want. We should invoke it when it suits us and use it as leverage.
    the EU wants us to remain. So they agree on endless delaying it until there won't be brexit at all.
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    (Original post by oShahpo)
    "Mommy, I want a car now Mommy, **** your financial and political situation mommy, me want car now" -> op
    oSahpo to mother: -Mommy you promised me a car ages ago,why do you keep delaying it?
    Mother:- I can't for this year
    oSahpo:- Ok 2017?
    Mother:- 2017 there is a finacial issue,we'll buy it in 2018

    2018
    oSAhpo:- Mommy it's 2018,remember you promised?
    Mother:- Now the situation is different,the promise is not valid anymore.
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    (Original post by RoyalMarine)
    the EU wants us to remain. So they agree on endless delaying it until there won't be brexit at all.
    Incorrect. They are pushing for it to be invoked so they can get on with their plans.
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    (Original post by welshiee)
    Incorrect. They are pushing for it to be invoked so they can get on with their plans.
    If the EU wanted they could force the UK to invoke it now. They can use their power also from single nations like Germany and France. 2 years is long enough,do we need 15 years? And how can the referendum be valid if its decision is delayed for years. It won't be valid anymore.
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    I signed because the issue of when we will invoke article 50 needs to be fully discussed in parliament in the open, no room for ambiguity
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    (Original post by Alextaylor6)
    David Cameron was responsible for creating a leave plan, seeing as he was the prime minister and ordered the referendum you ****
    You wish.
 
 
 
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