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    (Original post by remiremi)
    My sexual orientation is really none of your business

    To call gays in this country "oppressed" is quite openly an insult to what gay people have to deal with daily in countries like Zimbabwe or Syria. Throwing around such words weakens their meaning when using them in relation to Tumblr tier non issues like the story in OP
    My point is that you are opposing what I said about Gays facing discrimination, when it's very easy to overlook Gay hatred if you don't have to deal with it yourself. I know a thing or two about being treated with hostility just because of who I am, so I am applying this to the struggles faced by LGBT people, who probably have it worse.

    So, the LGBT community here have it much better than they do in most countries, that does not invalidate the homophobia that they still have to face and to dismiss homophobic hate crimes, which were are many as 5,597 in 2014/15 as non-issues is an insult to them. I am glad that I don't have to ever be attacked or treated differently over my sexuality, but have some empathy for those who it has/might happen to.
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    Maybe they didn't want to go their way to wave the flag? The symbol of the flag might stir controversy. There are others way to show support other than waving a gay flag.
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    (Original post by The Roast)
    Signatory John Barry, from Birmingham, said: "The town should be more concerned about the message that not flying the flag would send out."Mark Holton, from Swindon, said: "By not flying the flag it suggests it's ok in Oxfordshire to be homophobic."
    What a melodramatic fool. That's like saying that if they don't fly the Star of David during rosh hashanah then it means they're saying it's OK to be antisemitic. I despair at SJWs. All they ever do is embarrass the normal among the groups they pretend to bat for. Imagine being a gay person in Abingdon and having to be associated with that idiot because of the statement he made.
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    (Original post by The Roast)
    My thoughts exactly.

    The LGBT community seems a little too "us against them" nowadays.

    Attitudes like "By not flying the flag it suggests it's ok in Oxfordshire to be homophobic." concern me greatly.
    It's a,crusade of sorts. I'm bi, but see no need to make huge deal over trivial things like a flag not flying. Any little thing and the LGBT starts ranting its homophobia, no it's not it's going OTT that they object to. :rolleyes:

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    people are far more confident about expressing non-PC notions after the Referendum result.
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    (Original post by Roving Fish)
    Pride is not a celebration of being queer, it's a celebration that queer people can live without as much persecution, or having to hide themselves.

    It's also a reminder that queer people aren't out of the woods yet, with sad events such as Orlando continuing to happen.

    I was at Glastonbury Festival last weekend and Olly Alexander from Years & Years gave such an emotional speech within his set: "All I have to say to finish is, I am here and queer and sometimes I am afraid but I am never ashamed of who I am."
    You don't need rainbow flags and obnoxiously flamboyant festivals to celebrate freedom from persecution. What these things do is make gay folk look like a bunch of weirdos who are part of a bizarre, perverse subculture separate from the rest of us.

    A sexuality shouldn't have a flag. A sexuality shouldn't have a parade. A sexuality shouldn't matter. All the feel-good rhetoric about celebrating being 'out and proud' doesn't change that. It's dumb, obnoxious, and ironically counterproductive in a number of ways.
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    (Original post by Dandaman1)
    You don't need rainbow flags and obnoxiously flamboyant festivals to celebrate freedom from persecution. What these things do is make gay folk look like a bunch of weirdos who are part of a bizarre, perverse subculture separate from the rest of us.

    A sexuality shouldn't have a flag. A sexuality shouldn't have a parade. A sexuality shouldn't matter. All the feel-good rhetoric about celebrating being 'out and proud' doesn't change that. It's dumb, obnoxious, and ironically counterproductive in a number of ways.
    I'm not in the business of arguing gay pride to death, so have a great Sunday evening and try not to get caught in the path of any pride parades.

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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    What discrimination do straight people face? There is no need to have "straight pride" because we are privileged over LGBT people and always have been.
    Gay guys get more sex so they are privileged over straight in at least this regard. It's not so simple as all that. I say this as a bisexual man who disdains identity politics including gay pride parades.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Gay guys get more sex so they are privileged over straight in at least this regard. It's not so simple as all that. I say this as a bisexual man who disdains identity politics including gay pride parades.
    Now they'll say you're a bi who's homophobic. It's like the race card. Now it's taken over by the homophobic card. :rolleyes:

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    (Original post by Dandaman1)
    You don't need rainbow flags and obnoxiously flamboyant festivals to celebrate freedom from persecution. What these things do is make gay folk look like a bunch of weirdos who are part of a bizarre, perverse subculture separate from the rest of us.

    A sexuality shouldn't have a flag. A sexuality shouldn't have a parade. A sexuality shouldn't matter. All the feel-good rhetoric about celebrating being 'out and proud' doesn't change that. It's dumb, obnoxious, and ironically counterproductive in a number of ways.
    It was justified until very recently. I would say it became OK to be gay some time in the early to mid 2000s. Now gay people, even committed SJWs, complain all the time about gay pride parades, that they have become commercialised and corporate. This is the hallmark of an event which has separated entirely from its grassroots, like Glastonbury say. In this case it's because the grassroots subculture is no longer needed. Gay has gone mainstream.

    Pride is increasingly irrelevant. I wouldn't fret so much, it has only been irrelevant for a decade or so and will soon disappear.
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    Speaking as someone who is gay, this isn't an issue.

    Abingdon is one small town of 30,000, and frankly I don't care whether they wish to fly the pride flag. There are bigger problems facing the LGBT community than whether a rural settlement in Oxfordshire chooses to fly our flag or not.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Gay guys get more sex so they are privileged over straight in at least this regard. It's not so simple as all that. I say this as a bisexual man who disdains identity politics including gay pride parades.
    Does not getting regular sex make you feel scared to leave your home and prevent you from living a normal life? You can't even compare the two. Living your life free from discrimination is a basic human right.
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    Does not getting regular sex make you feel scared to leave your home and prevent you from living a normal life? You can't even compare the two. Living your life free from discrimination is a basic human right.
    Question:

    Is this something you consider discrimination or racism?

    http://nypost.com/2016/07/01/elite-k...e-born-racist/
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    (Original post by The Roast)
    Question:

    Is this something you consider discrimination or racism?

    http://nypost.com/2016/07/01/elite-k...e-born-racist/
    Yes (if children really are being taught that), but what has that got to do with homophobia, and the fact that Straight people face virtually no discrimination over their sexuality?

    Unless you just assumed for whatever reason that I believed that White people can't face racism :rolleyes:
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    Why are people so militant about LGBT rights ?

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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    Does not getting regular sex make you feel scared to leave your home and prevent you from living a normal life? You can't even compare the two. Living your life free from discrimination is a basic human right.
    I believe having some sort of sexual experience is also a human right and that the NHS should fund sexual surrogates for disabled people. Really it's love, not sex, that these people are missing, but you can't provide love as a commodity.

    Your deliberately exclusionary definition falls flat anyway because gay people today are not afraid to leave their house and go about the business of loving each other, and lack no civil rights. Therefore you appear to be agreeing with me that gay people are not oppressed?
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    I believe having some sort of sexual experience is also a human right and that the NHS should fund sexual surrogates for disabled people. Really it's love, not sex, that these people are missing, but you can't provide love as a commodity.

    Your deliberately exclusionary definition falls flat anyway because gay people today are not afraid to leave their house and go about the business of loving each other, and lack no civil rights. Therefore you appear to be agreeing with me that gay people are not oppressed?
    Being a victim of a hate crime can cause someone to be afraid of leaving his/her house and conducting daily matters. Gay people have been victims of hate crimes on the basis of their sexuality, straight people have not.
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    I don't see what the fuss is about here tbh... It makes no material difference.

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    (Original post by *Stefan*)
    I don't see what the fuss is about here tbh... It makes no material difference.

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    Me neither; I don't think that makes the council homophobic. I only take issue with the way some of the people in this thread were trying to suggest that homophobia no longer exists in the West, or that it's irrelevant.
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    Ohh deary me... they won't show support for the Pride event. They are awful and must be homophobic! Well this is how the media want us to feel right?!

    The LGBT community really have been pushing themselves more and more within the media in 2016. Raising awareness about this community is good, don't get me wrong. I do believe that they shouldn't need to take these measures for more people to accept and be less "homophobic". It is extremely unfair for a gay person to be abused just because they are gay! it is unacceptable and hence the reason for these community events and the awareness campaigns. I do get it.. and I accept it.

    However, a group or person who does not want to support it should not be ridiculed or abused also! The Council have decided for whatever reason to not fly the flag. This is called freedom of choice, and these LGBT groups should not be "shocked" or "appalled" , How is this backwards thinking?

    it seems that because the LGBT community are a minority they can exploit this to their advantage.. and although it might be a very worthy cause and doing a lot of good.. freedom of choice should be respected.

    Once again we are seeing a divide in society.. the Brexit has divided the country into leavers and remainers, the LGBT groups are dividing themselves from anybody who does not help their cause, and we have the obvious divides in communities between races and religions, etc. I have to say, when it comes to Politics, divisions in communities are a positive thing that can really shift the balance of power for a particular political party. Also, dividing people up stops a mass revolution prevailing. The Government may say they want people to unite and all get along, when in reality the opposite occurs.
 
 
 
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