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Brexit: The Fairy tale told by UKIP Watch

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    (Original post by Iknowbest)
    So you have struggled to get to none EU Countries in the past I take it? Brexit is not going to stop people traveling..
    It certainly will do. Already UK graduates and contractors applying for jobs out in the EU are only being offered 2 months or less as no one is certain what is going to happen in the next month or so.

    Some EU employers are no longer willing to take the risk of taking on UK graduates and contractors.
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    Fact of the matter is free movement of people and globalism has decreased the standard of living of the native British working classes by a vast amount and rather than take another beating the native British working classes decided to opt out of the globalist project.

    But ye we know for the Technocrats and Middle Classes the EU is great. However your not the only people who live in Britain.

    So it isn't any surprise that the native British working classes decided to use democracy and vote in their own interests. Fancy that.

    You build a country from the ground up and that means you will always need low skilled workers. How you treat those low skilled workers will determine what kind of country you live in. For the past 30 years low skilled workers have been treated like trash.

    The video below sums up what the native British think and what they have been trying to tell the well off in Britain for the last 10-30 years!

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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    It certainly will do. Already UK graduates and contractors applying for jobs out in the EU are only being offered 2 months or less as no one is certain what is going to happen in the next month or so.

    Some EU employers are no longer willing to take the risk of taking on UK graduates and contractors.
    UK Graduates should be clever enough to understand people are still able to travel to EU Countries no matter what! If you mean the cheap flights might stop.. so it would be to expensive to travel..??
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    The UKs living standards have increased fastest while we were in the EU
    The graph shows the longest sustained growth for the UK was 1993 to 2007.
    Those were are best years
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    A lot of people in the north voted leave as they are sick of the south controlling everything and wanted to rebel. A lot of people voted as they don't like other countries having a say in what we do. Why are people saying that everyone that voted leave is a racist- clearly not.


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    (Original post by jake4198)
    Yet, here's the reality:

    FTSE 100 (multinational financial institutions in London) is at its highest levels since August 2015.
    FTSE 250 (big corporations in the UK) is still a bit sluggish but has been rising ever since Brexit. It has went from -13.65% to -8.56%.
    FTSE 350 (big and medium sized corporations in the UK) is at its highest level since August 2015.
    Oh dear, what a dog's dinner.

    The reason the FTSE 100 is high is because these are mostly global companies (not only "financial institutions"!) who report in USD. Therefore they benefit from the slumping GBP.

    The FTSE 250 has fallen well below trend. Losses of 8% over two weeks isn't "a bit sluggish", it's a major downturn.

    As for the FTSE 350, you clearly don't know what it is. It is the FTSE 100 plus the FTSE 250.

    Barack Obama:
    Pre-Brexit = "Britain will be at the back of the trade queue"
    Post-Brexit = "Britain will remain an indispensable trading partner with the US"

    Pound to Dollar
    "While the downward pressure on the pound has increased in response to some adverse post-referendum developments, we have long argued that a substantially lower exchange rate would be an important factor helping to limit the economic damage of a vote to leave the European Union,” says Jonathan Loynes at Capital Economics. Loynes opines that the Pound’s weakness has been widely presented as a negative development. This is certainly a perception propagated by the media. We ourselves are guilty of presenting a stronger currency as a better outcome, the repetitive use of the words ‘stronger’ and ‘weaker’ when describing currency moves confirm an inherently bias. The message from Loynes is that we should not panic about the Pound as the single biggest factor behind the pound’s fall has been a substantial shift in expectations for UK interest rates,” says Loynes.
    The advantage of a cheap pound is it boosts exports. But the kinds of people who analyse these things (although I know how you hate experts) say the UK doesn't actually have the export capacity to benefit from this. A strong pound and FDI is our only hope until such time as we have built an exporting economy. Good luck with that, it'll take at least two generations.

    International Community
    If Britain were to go into a period of economic recession, it would have global ramifications on major international market economies which is against the will of the entire international community. Since we've voted to leave, we've had assurances from many countries arguing that a free trade deal with the UK post-Brexit, especially from Canada and Australia, is possible and will be made a priority. Given that the UK is also a major trading partner with the EU, should the European Union close its doors to the UK the consequences would be grave for both sides, especially for Germany with whom Britain is a major trading partner.
    Then why did Britain go through the biggest recession in living memory less than ten years ago?

    We may well set up free trade deals with these other countries but the amount of trade we do with them is tiny.

    Where will big business go?
    Large corporations who operate in Europe are only going to entertain relocation in two locations: Germany and France, as these are seen as major economies with access to the EU. However, corporation tax is higher in France and Germany than it is in London, as too is the top rate of income tax and capital gains tax. London is one of the biggest financial powers in the world and the city of London is loved by bankers and entrepreneurs because of its diverse, eccentric and business friendly persona.
    But Germany and France now have a seat at the table in the EU while we don't. Therefore even in the event of a soft Brexit into the EEA, the City will lose a significant amount of business to Frankfurt and Paris. The City will want to lobby against precisely those political tendencies you describe. And when there is €€€ to be made governments will be quick to reverse those tendencies.
    Summary
    The UK will enter a period of economic turbulence, especially when we don't know who the next leader is, the future of Scotland, when Article 50 will be triggered and whether there'll be a second General Election. However, hysteria is not what we need at this point and scaremongering is never welcomed even on a good day. Britain has voted to leave the EU, get over it. What we need to do now is work together to ensure the best outcome post-Brexit.
    Very North Korea of you, we are not allowed now to describe what a state the economy is in.
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    Fact of the matter is the working classes decided to harm the middle + upper classes for leaving them behind.

    The damage is already done.

    I'm not going to apologise for voting leave. Hell no.

    This country is going to have a new kind of politics and the working classes aren't going to be ignored. They where ignored during the Miners Strike and the Neo-Liberals got their way. Well guess what! The working class Brits have got their power back and the Technocrats are going to have to listen else they may as well start looking for another job.
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    Fact of the matter is the working classes decided to harm the middle + upper classes for leaving them behind.

    The damage is already done.

    I'm not going to apologise for voting leave. Hell no.

    This country is going to have a new kind of politics and the working classes aren't going to be ignored. They where ignored during the Miners Strike and the Neo-Liberals got their way. Well guess what! The working class Brits have got their power back and the Technocrats are going to have to listen else they may as well start looking for another job.
    Yeah...sorry, not seeing it. Tories still in power, Labour split, neoliberals ready to chip away at the British state even more than before...working class are going to suffer in this more than anybody.
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    Fact of the matter is the working classes decided to harm the middle + upper classes for leaving them behind.

    The damage is already done.

    I'm not going to apologise for voting leave. Hell no.

    This country is going to have a new kind of politics and the working classes aren't going to be ignored. They where ignored during the Miners Strike and the Neo-Liberals got their way. Well guess what! The working class Brits have got their power back and the Technocrats are going to have to listen else they may as well start looking for another job.
    Nope - even in poor areas the young tended to vote for the EU.
    It was basically elderly people wot did the world in...

    Apparently the same thing happened with WW1. It was a load of old guys decided that everyone must die - bits of paper were more important then european unity.

    Only 27% of voters under 25 voted to leave.
    Only 38% of voters under 35 voted to leave.
    Even under 45 the majority voted to stay.

    This was all about the old taking away from the young.
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    Fact of the matter is the working classes decided to harm the middle + upper classes for leaving them behind.

    The damage is already done.

    I'm not going to apologise for voting leave. Hell no.

    This country is going to have a new kind of politics and the working classes aren't going to be ignored. They where ignored during the Miners Strike and the Neo-Liberals got their way. Well guess what! The working class Brits have got their power back and the Technocrats are going to have to listen else they may as well start looking for another job.
    One has to also wonder why most Labour voting areas are always poor.
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    (Original post by Jee1)
    One has to also wonder why most Labour voting areas are always poor.
    Are you for real? Labour voting areas where very rich during the Industrial revolution. Why do you think Blackpool was the place to go at the start of the 20th century?
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    Are you for real? Labour voting areas where very rich during the Industrial revolution. Why do you think Blackpool was the place to go at the start of the 20th century?
    He's probably never been to Hampstead...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_Siddiq
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    Are you for real? Labour voting areas where very rich during the Industrial revolution. Why do you think Blackpool was the place to go at the start of the 20th century?
    I am talking about the last 20 years
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    (Original post by Jee1)
    I am talking about the last 20 years
    The whole reason why Britain's industry declined after WW2 is because of the Technocrats. The top down management of the economy. Mean while in Germany Post WW2 their Government scrapped all the red tape and went total Capitalist. They flourished. Then in the 70s the EU was born and Germany started exporting their goods to every place in the EU while Britain took advantage of the financial services for Europe.So its easy to see why the North declined. Now that we are out of Europe the our Government is going to have to restructure the economy and say goodbye to London having all the attention.We need more emphasis on our other hubs & cities. Spolied Brat London and its friends the Home counties are going to have to learn to share.
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    The whole reason why Britain's industry declined after WW2 is because of the Technocrats. The top down management of the economy. Mean while in Germany Post WW2 their Government scrapped all the red tape and went total Capitalist. They flourished. Then in the 70s the EU was born and Germany started exporting their goods to every place in the EU while Britain took advantage of the financial services for Europe.So its easy to see why the North declined. Now that we are out of Europe the our Government is going to have to restructure the economy and say goodbye to London having all the attention.We need more emphasis on our other hubs & cities. Spolied Brat London and its friends the Home counties are going to have to learn to share.
    Nope. After WW2, the UK spent the entire Marshall Aid on starting up the NHS. The Germans and other Europeans put it into building up industry.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._Health_Policy
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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    Nope. After WW2, the UK spent the entire Marshall Aid on starting up the NHS. The Germans and other Europeans put it into building up industry.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._Health_Policy
    Britain was still regulated by Technocrats.Crony Capitalism which is what the EU system is has never worked. Its basically Communism-Lite. It will eventually fail or just stagnate.
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    Fairytales are supposed to be happy. *A declining pound, worse economy and reduced influence in the world is a bad tale not a fairytale.
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    The whole reason why Britain's industry declined after WW2 is because of the Technocrats. The top down management of the economy. Mean while in Germany Post WW2 their Government scrapped all the red tape and went total Capitalist. They flourished. Then in the 70s the EU was born and Germany started exporting their goods to every place in the EU while Britain took advantage of the financial services for Europe.So its easy to see why the North declined. Now that we are out of Europe the our Government is going to have to restructure the economy and say goodbye to London having all the attention.We need more emphasis on our other hubs & cities. Spolied Brat London and its friends the Home counties are going to have to learn to share.
    The area outside London and the Home Counties are going to feel more of the brunt of the losses from leaving the EU.
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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    The UKs living standards have increased fastest while we were in the EU
    The graph shows the longest sustained growth for the UK was 1993 to 2007.
    Those were are best years
    So how do you know in this same period, we might have done as well or even better without the EU?? How do you know that being in the EU hasn't held us back?

    People having to use food banks to feed themselves.. why not ask them about living standards?

    Lets just keep looking at graphs and charts.. all will be ok!! NO look at the real world and the people around you.. thing's are pretty rubbish for many!
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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    Only 27% of voters under 25 voted to leave.
    Only 38% of voters under 35 voted to leave.
    Even under 45 the majority voted to stay.
    How did you get these stats? I don't remember telling them my age when i voted?!
 
 
 
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