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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    UKIP won't rise.
    SDP won't rise.
    Green won't rise.

    They all too good to be true, imagine labour and tories combined would that make them better than just tories or just labour? As it gives a wider range of voters. Not just 35% not just 30% but 50%
    Erm, trust me, it won't work like that. Tory voters are anti labour and Labour voters are anti conservative. Labour voters hate those sorts of tories and the blairites in their party. Labour voters hate the new labour types and the "left wing" tories. Basically the self interested lot. It will not work.
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    UKIP won't rise.
    SDP won't rise.
    Green won't rise.

    They all too good to be true, imagine labour and tories combined would that make them better than just tories or just labour? As it gives a wider range of voters. Not just 35% not just 30% but 50%
    As we saw with the SDP and to a lesser degree Ukip, although you get that initial surge the FPTP will squeeze you out long enough to lose momentum and in the end the big two parties persist.
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    (Original post by IronicalMan)
    Don't see why I, as a patriotic Brit should abandon my country to left wingers, with no patriotism or interest to the country. They should leave, and go live in Germany or Sweden if they love it so much and don't believe in nationality/culture and destroy it.
    They are not left wing, they are centrist. That is the whole reason they are forming the party. And saying that an MP has no interest in their own country is entirely false. How can they serve as MPs if they do not know their constituents and how to serve their country properly?

    I believe that is to the contrary, it is the far right parties such as Britain First, the BNP and UK. That seek to harm the country through protectionism and harmful foreign policy. If you want to direct those claims at a group don't aim it at liberals, it is socialists you should blame.
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    (Original post by Nurne)
    They are not left wing, they are centrist. That is the whole reason they are forming the party. And saying that an MP has no interest in their own country is entirely false. How can they serve as MPs if they do not know their constituents and how to serve their country properly?

    I believe that is to the contrary, it is the far right parties such as Britain First, the BNP and UK. That seek to harm the country through protectionism and harmful foreign policy. If you want to direct those claims at a group don't aim it at liberals, it is socialists you should blame.
    Say centrist all you like, they're left wing on social policy and are quite happy to replace British people with foreigners and harm their quality of life via lower wages and higher house prices via mass immigration, they're also politically correct and are the reason criminals get **** all sentences. They do not have the interest of British culture or people at heart, but rather, what's best for their bank balance/corporations and banks.
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    In your guts, you know she's nuts.
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    (Original post by IronicalMan)
    Erm, trust me, it won't work like that. Tory voters are anti labour and Labour voters are anti-conservative. Labour voters hate those sorts of Tories and the Blairites in their party. Labour voters hate the new labour types and the "left wing" tories. Basically the self-interested lot. It will not work.
    If they hate New Labour so much why did Tony Blair win the general election with a landslide victory in 1997, with his centrist New Labour? Your views are stereotypes and are not accurate. If voters see a leader they like, who is charismatic and patriotic as Blair was they will vote for that leader.
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    (Original post by Nurne)
    If they hate New Labour so much why did Tony Blair win the general election with a landslide victory in 1997, with his centrist New Labour? Your views are stereotypes and are not accurate. If voters see a leader they like, who is charismatic and patriotic as Blair was they will vote for that leader.
    Blair was a lying **** and most labour voters don't like him, hence why 60 percent voted for jeremy corbyn and not a centrist, Tony Blair won on lies and promises, that's all.
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    (Original post by IronicalMan)
    Say centrist all you like, they're left wing on social policy and are quite happy to replace British people with foreigners and harm their quality of life via lower wages and higher house prices via mass immigration, they're also politically correct and are the reason criminals get **** all sentences. They do not have the interest of British culture or people at heart, but rather, what's best for their bank balance/corporations and banks.
    If you are talking about the Tories, they aren't. They just aren't. They already have a point system for immigrants coming from outside the EU. Look at Calais do you think that the government are letting those asylum seekers in? They are doing what is best for the country by allowing skilled workers in from around the world creating more jobs in the UK and increasing economic growth and GDP. And if the British working class feel that they have suffered as a result. In my opinion, they are entirely to blame, having had access to the UK's education system and not using it to their advantage for social mobility. The UK has to be a meritocracy, meaning those with the most talent and skill should rise to the top, it is nearly there with only class divisions in the way. Immigrant criminals don't get sentences because they get sent back to their respective country and are not allowed to return.
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    (Original post by IronicalMan)
    Blair was a lying **** and most labour voters don't like him, hence why 60 percent voted for jeremy corbyn and not a centrist, Tony Blair won on lies and promises, that's all.
    60% of Labour party members voted for Jeremy Corbyn not 60% of Labour voters. Party members cannot be used as a reliable source of the way that Labour voters will vote in the next election as they are generally more left wing meaning they would support socialist candidates such as Corbyn.
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    how about no
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    Gonna grate of Teresa May gets it and she ends up negotiating an exit that keeps free movement and no differences to immmigration plus continued contributions of billions of £ to Brussels. Reamianer in charge of Brexit a bit ironic.
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    (Original post by IronicalMan)
    Don't see why I, as a patriotic Brit should abandon my country to left wingers, with no patriotism or interest to the country. They should leave, and go live in Germany or Sweden if they love it so much and don't believe in nationality/culture and destroy it.
    Germany's not left wing.
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    Oh goody a female version of Trump, what a time to be alive.
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    Yes, a new Liberal Party.
    Or just... the Lib Dems?
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    Hell yeah, let's **** this country up!
    I would rather let Hitler rule this country than her, at least he had respect for his own people.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    Or just... the Lib Dems?
    Could but unlikely as it has a bad reputation.
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    Would you quit the tories if she won? She genuinely seems unhinged...

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    No, whilst I would happily have them subsumed within the new liberal party, on their own they are discredited still and also on their own they are slightly deranged and need a more moderate position on some issues (left alone I can see them campaigning for some ridiculous issue like mandatory gender neutral toilets or some nonsense.

    I remember when I decided to quit supporting them Norman Lamb gave a speech saying the lib dems wre now a serious party and then spent fifteen minutes saying that peppa pig needed to have LGBT families. . .
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    Would you quit the tories if she won? She genuinely seems unhinged...

    JordanL_

    No, whilst I would happily have them subsumed within the new liberal party, on their own they are discredited still and also on their own they are slightly deranged and need a more moderate position on some issues (left alone I can see them campaigning for some ridiculous issue like mandatory gender neutral toilets or some nonsense.

    I remember when I decided to quit supporting them Norman Lamb gave a speech saying the lib dems wre now a serious party and then spent fifteen minutes saying that peppa pig needed to have LGBT families. . .
    Probably not for me, there's little alternative unless Ukip changes tack. I may be willing to compramise my principles for practicality but i couldn't actually vote for the left be that Farron's Lib Dem's or Corbyn's Labour, at heart i'm still a man of the right.
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    Would you quit the tories if she won? She genuinely seems unhinged...
    The Conservative Party is on probation with me at the moment. I have problems enough with Theresa May - regressive policies on drugs, anti-immigration rhetoric, nonsensee comments about people being allowed to stay in this country because they have a cat, those ****ing "Go Home" vans.

    May has her good points. She's forthright, she clearly believes what she says, she's a Remainer, she did away with a lot of the ID database stuff when she first came into office and took a tough line on nutjobs. I'm mindful though that politicians can, at best, convey a few messages about who they are and what they're about to the general public - I've yet to see which side of the fence she'll come down on and what message she will be sending about the principles of the Conservatives and the Government.

    But yes, I think it's fairly safe to say that if Leadsom comes in I'll be considering my membership. I'm unsure as yet whether it's better to be fighting from inside or out. I've seen a lot of friends I respect in Labour remain firm while their party is torn apart by Corbyn and his allies - standing up against the worst excesses and trying to win the party back to a sensible, moderate approach. That's what's keeping me from committing to leaving now - I look at their example, fighting for a decades-old movement, and do admire them for it.

    But let's put it this way, I couldn't in good faith go door to door and suggest Leadsom is a Prime Minister worth voting for. There will come a point where Leadsom may well expose the inherent weakness of the Conservatives as a vehicle for putting in place a rational, liberal, centre-right government. At that point, I'll be gone - but it will be with a huge amount of sadness.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Probably not for me, there's little alternative unless Ukip changes tack. I may be willing to compramise my principles for practicality but i couldn't actually vote for the left be that Farron's Lib Dem's or Corbyn's Labour, at heart i'm still a man of the right.
    Yeah, there's no way Farron's Lib Dems hold any attractions for me either. I'd sooner vote for a moderate Labour leader like Dan Jarvis.

    I liked the Coalition and had a lot of time for Nick Clegg, but the Lib Dems have ended up returning to being a smug, inward-looking, left-wing, anti-war, anti-reality bunch of tosspots.
 
 
 
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