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    (Original post by the bear)
    God gave the Jews the land with boundaries...

    Western: the Mediterranean Sea

    Eastern: from Kadesh-barnea, via Zin and the salt sea to Zedad and Hamath in the north

    Southern: from Kadesh Barnea to the Brook of Egypt (probably not the Nile)

    Northern: from the Mediterranean Sea (Mount Hor) to Hamath to Zedad*

    so.... God is a Zionist ?*
    No, because God is not Jewish. :cool:
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    Yes I am

    Why?
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    (Original post by Josb)
    Israel was founded *before* the "ethnic cleansing" of 1948, by a resolution of the UN.
    The UN General Assembly passed a resolution supporting the UNSCOP-proposed partition. GA resolutions, however, are purely recommendatory and non-binding, only Security Council resolutions are legally binding. Regardless, it certainly didn't 'found' Israel - Israel was founded on 14 May 1948. The largest chunk of the ethnic cleansing was in the period a couple of months either side of that.

    The ethnic cleansing that took place in 1947-49 was, if not planned as such, heavily discussed and considered within Zionism long prior to it actually happening - and not just by dissident groups like Irgun and Lehi, in the mainstream too.

    Arabs attacked Jewish settlements the day after the resolution was voted. The Zionists didn't "choose to violently create a state" - apart from the revisionists I mentioned above.
    Zionist paramilitaries were attacking Palestinian Arabs in the days following the resolution as well - and had been carrying out attacks on both Arab and British targets prior to it as well. And while the Palestinians were poorly organised and armed (and had been since the failure of the 1936 revolt), the Zionist groups were comparatively well-armed, professionalised, and prepared for war.

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    (Original post by the bear)
    God gave the Jews the land with boundaries...

    Western: the Mediterranean Sea

    Eastern: from Kadesh-barnea, via Zin and the salt sea to Zedad and Hamath in the north

    Southern: from Kadesh Barnea to the Brook of Egypt (probably not the Nile)

    Northern: from the Mediterranean Sea (Mount Hor) to Hamath to Zedad*

    so.... God is a Zionist ?*
    What if you are an atheist Jew and/or Zionist?
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    (Original post by ATW1)
    Looks like you've been watching the BBC and Al Jazeera. Reports of Israel cutting off the water supply turned out to be false and were only given media attention because it demonised Israel and reasserted the anti-Semitic tone of the media. Your first sentence is enough to contradict your initial post. If you believe Jews should have their own land and be able to govern themselves, then you are a Zionist.
    Get dem of palestine's land
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    Nah, Zionism is just a system that allows Jews to enforce ethno-centric policies without it being called racism e.g.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/russian...need-dna-test/

    Imagine if a Christian European country tried to use DNA tests for citizenship laws - it would not be called 'Zionism', I have a feeling a different word would be used. In fact, Rhodesia and South Africa were basically like modern Israel - and they had sanctions and all sorts of stuff imposed on them.
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    (Original post by cipi)
    Nah, Zionism is just a system that allows Jews to enforce ethno-centric policies without it being called racism e.g.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/russian...need-dna-test/

    Imagine if a Christian European country tried to use DNA tests for citizenship laws - it would not be called 'Zionism', I have a feeling a different word would be used. In fact, Rhodesia and South Africa were basically like modern Israel - and they had sanctions and all sorts of stuff imposed on them.
    It was a DNA paternity test because of a problem with the birth certificate (the birth was registered after the child turned 3).
    You have a good imagination, but not so good brains. :cool:
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    (Original post by admonit)
    It was a DNA paternity test because of a problem with the birth certificate (the birth was registered after the child turned 3).
    You have a good imagination, but not so good brains. :cool:
    Read it again. Would NEVER be allowed in a European country. Sweden for example can't even do any medical tests to see if it's unaccompanied children are actually children.
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    u must be avin' a laugh.
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    (Original post by cipi)
    Read it again.
    OK. No problem.
    "child born out-of-wedlock is eligible to receive an Israeli immigration visa if the birth was registered before the child turned 3. Otherwise a DNA test to prove Jewish parentage is necessary."
    And?
    Would NEVER be allowed in a European country. Sweden for example can't even do any medical tests to see if it's unaccompanied children are actually children.
    The article has nothing to do with unaccompanied children. It's about the law of immigration.
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    (Original post by admonit)
    OK. No problem.
    "child born out-of-wedlock is eligible to receive an Israeli immigration visa if the birth was registered before the child turned 3. Otherwise a DNA test to prove Anglo-Saxon parentage is necessary."
    It's based on race.
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    (Original post by cipi)
    It's based on race.
    Again and the last time: it's not a check of Jewishness, it's a paternity test. In fact, according to the Jewish law, the girl in the article is not Jewish.
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    (Original post by admonit)
    Again and the last time: it's not a check of Jewishness, it's a paternity test. In fact, according to the Jewish law, the girl in the article is not Jewish.
    Read the article again
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    (Original post by cipi)
    Read the article again
    We already did it, dude. And you failed. :cool:
    Learn the subject and after that I may be will discuss it with you.
    Currently we are in different weight classes.
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    (Original post by admonit)
    No, because God is not Jewish. :cool:
    His Son is Jewish :beard: *
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    The UN General Assembly passed a resolution supporting the UNSCOP-proposed partition. GA resolutions, however, are purely recommendatory and non-binding, only Security Council resolutions are legally binding. Regardless, it certainly didn't 'found' Israel - Israel was founded on 14 May 1948. The largest chunk of the ethnic cleansing was in the period a couple of months either side of that.
    Although it was non-binding, it certainly paved the way to a future recognition. Otherwise you shouldn't criticise Israel for not having respected the numerous UN resolutions passed against them since 1948.


    (Original post by anarchism101)
    The ethnic cleansing that took place in 1947-49 was, if not planned as such, heavily discussed and considered within Zionism long prior to it actually happening - and not just by dissident groups like Irgun and Lehi, in the mainstream too.
    They obviously thought about it, but never executed it. Only the revisionists actually tried to carry this plan. The socialist government ordered expulsions against villages that had resisted.

    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Zionist paramilitaries were attacking Palestinian Arabs in the days following the resolution as well - and had been carrying out attacks on both Arab and British targets prior to it as well. And while the Palestinians were poorly organised and armed (and had been since the failure of the 1936 revolt), the Zionist groups were comparatively well-armed, professionalised, and prepared for war.

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    Yes, I never denied that. Irgun started to murder Arabs in the 1930s. They bear most of the responsibility in the escalation of the conflict.
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    In as much as I believe all culturally and racially distinct peoples should have an exclusive jurisdiction they can call home.
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    Jews need Israel so yes

    Let them live in peace their neighbours have over 50 countries let them go reside there so the few Jews left after the holocaust can live their lives, they've suffered enough; Palestinians caused all this by not letting to nations exist! Amen

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    (Original post by admonit)
    We already did it, dude. And you failed. :cool:
    Learn the subject and after that I may be will discuss it with you.
    Currently we are in different weight classes.
    Read it again. Slowly.
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    No

    Since the Jews are hypocrites why would I support a Jewish state when they support destroying us? LOL

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