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    (Original post by welshiee)
    No he wasn't. They should all **** off to the Tories where they belong.
    I don't disagree that Blairism is more Conservative than Labour, but I think people were just concerned about how far-left Corbyn is, and how it's tearing their party apart, whether they're new or old labour MPs. No one wants instability and Corbyn brought instability in generous doses
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    (Original post by tanyapotter)
    I don't disagree that Blairism is more Conservative than Labour, but I think people were just concerned about how far-left Corbyn is, and how it's tearing their party apart, whether they're new or old labour MPs. No one wants instability and Corbyn brought instability in generous doses
    Good Friday Agreement: That was just common sense regardless of left/right wing politics
    Tax credits: make people reliant on the state - condemn them to servitude - give a man a fish vs teach a man to fish etc.
    Immigration relaxation: allows large corporations to exploit labour which has happened - for example, Poles exploited in the construction industry

    Go on....keep telling me how a man who adored Thatcher, claimed he would never stand on a leftist platform and was a centre-right capitalist gave a **** about the people....capitalism at its very core cares about profits, not people.


    Because there are numerous things that will play into his hands:

    a) Tories have to deal with the difficulties of Brexit
    b) Tories have to deal with possible issues with their own party
    c) Already there's been talk of many angry Tories switching to UKIP because of May becoming PM
    d) As austerity increases Corbyn will gather more and more support, especially during tough times with a devalued pound

    If Corbyn is ousted and isn't replaced by a socialist then I'll vote Tory and let someone who admits to loathing the poor into power than a slimeball full of deceit who pretends to represent the working class whilst doing the opposite.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    I LOVE IT, this is all great :laugh:

    Let's sit back and enjoy the bitter campaign and then wait for the losing side (Eagle's) call for a second election because they didn't like the result and/or split into a new party.
    I think that's rather immature and petty.
    A functioning democracy needs a strong and effective opposition to hold the governing party to account. If not you just have a one party state who can pretty much do anything because there's no one to challenge them.

    It also seems odd because you frequently romanticise about our democracy yet seem happy with next to no effective opposition which is such a vital part of our system.

    * You may personally think having a one party state is good, but for the future of the country and democracy it really isn't.

    *
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    (Original post by MrDystopia)
    Well, now he's definitely going to win. Has the young vote, the Union support for the most part, and now the recent influx of members, I suspect, is going to be mostly those upset that he's being challenged.

    As you said though, curious how to play out with very little MP support.
    The bigger question is why am I in your profile picture
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    The bigger question is why am I in your profile picture
    Greatest manager of all time!
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    (Original post by welshiee)
    Good Friday Agreement: That was just common sense regardless of left/right wing politics
    Tax credits: make people reliant on the state - condemn them to servitude - give a man a fish vs teach a man to fish etc.
    Immigration relaxation: allows large corporations to exploit labour which has happened - for example, Poles exploited in the construction industry

    Go on....keep telling me how a man who adored Thatcher, claimed he would never stand on a leftist platform and was a centre-right capitalist gave a **** about the people....capitalism at its very core cares about profits, not people.


    Because there are numerous things that will play into his hands:

    a) Tories have to deal with the difficulties of Brexit
    b) Tories have to deal with possible issues with their own party
    c) Already there's been talk of many angry Tories switching to UKIP because of May becoming PM
    d) As austerity increases Corbyn will gather more and more support, especially during tough times with a devalued pound

    If Corbyn is ousted and isn't replaced by a socialist then I'll vote Tory and let someone who admits to loathing the poor into power than a slimeball full of deceit who pretends to represent the working class whilst doing the opposite.
    A Blairite is what the Labour party needs if it wants to win the next general election (or rather, not get decimated) because this country has never and will never be truly socialist. I don't agree with Blairism on many accounts, but I care about the Labour party and I don't want to see it get wiped out. I'm guessing most of the Labour MPs who challenged Corbyn don't either, because they understand that some huge issues between new and old Labour need to be sorted out within their party, but none of this can happen effectively and no real change can come about if their MPs don't even have their seats.
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    (Original post by MrDystopia)
    Greatest manager of all time!
    Thanks for your kind words

    I agree
 
 
 
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