(Original post by Davij038)
Yes in deed- this is why we need PR as the only way for our political system to really work.
Ultimately this, but first brexit needs to be given time. If brexit is a measurable success*, the Pro EU moderate position is doomed (and rightly so) and we moderate social democrats need to massively rethink if not abandon many of our political beliefs.
*[stronger and fairer economy, less immigration]
if it isn't, hopefully they can be there to win against the debunked populist right and eventually rejoin the EU after a good does of humble pie. This may seem unlikely, and indeed it is but we should not forget that young people voted massively to stay in and of course are far better educated than their parents and grandparents.
My hope is that things go in cycles. In the 80s people were saying Labour were finished and in the 90s they won a majority of over 100.
Then in the 2000s people were saying that the Tory party were finished and now they have a majority.
Things can change quickly and perhaps they will but I am struggling to see it at the moment. Whichever way Labour goes and whichever leader it chooses, it will leak support somewhere.
The tories are able to appeal with only a small UKIP threat. Labour have bigger threats in every direction.
I think anyone who feels that Labour's problems can be solved by a simple change in leader is deluded. Unless there is an Obama type, once in a generation candidate I just cannot see it.
For decades now various leaders have been able to patch the various Labour factions together. Kinnock did it,Blair did it, Brown did it, Miliband did it, although less convincingly. But it became harder each time and now under Corbyn we are seeing those very fragile bonds smash.
Sorry to sound all depressive about it but I really do feel we are seeing the fatal demise of Labour.
The Tories disagreements, apart from the EU seem more to do with power stuggles whereas Labour's are of huge political and ideological differences.