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France "must learn to live with terrorism" -French Prime Minister Watch

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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    Did Britain learn to live with IRA terrorism?
    Fairly sure we took a number of measures to minimise the risk of being affected by an IRA attack, so yes?
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    (Original post by Crassy)
    Algeria's population was 10% French and they were all deported back to France when Algeria got its independence.

    France is about 10% Muslim, it would be possible to deport them back to North Africa. No Muslims = no terrorism . Unfortunately this will never happen and the end result will probably be civil war. Gun laws are pretty lax in France and they have a history of violent revolutions.
    To be fair, their previous major revolutions in the last 300 years were pretty justified and all aimed at making France a republic. As long as they don't decide to reinstate the monarchy they should be fine in terms of another revolution...
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    (Original post by Fugggggg :DDD)
    http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-...th-terrorists/

    "Times have changed and we should learn to live with terrorism. We have to show solidarity and collective calm. France has been hit in its soul on the 14 July, our national day."

    How can this guy be fucxing serious??

    Has he just handed the country over to Front Nationale?
    *national

    Front is masculine - so it's le front national.

    And no, he has not. He's just saying 'stay calm, if the terrorists want to attack, let them - we will not be intimidated and live just as we always have'.

    It's really the only way around it. You can't 'fight' terrorism on a clear front as you would do a war. This isn't an invading army, despite what the FN and islamophobes may want to claim. These are people amongst us, killing their countrymen, hoping that in doing so they will create chaos and intimidate us.

    The moment we give in to panic is the moment these aims are accomplished and the moment all the lives which have been lost have been lost in vain.

    So business as usual. We will stay as bloody nonchalant as is humanly possible, we will not give in to fear, we will not give in to islamophobia and above all we will learn to live with the deaths, no matter how much it hurts.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    France isn't set apart from the rest of the world. IS are a global threat, and as a result they pose a threat to France.
    Nonsense. France, like every other country will always face an external threat, but unlike other countries now faces an internal threat. Why haven't Islamists blown other parts of Europe, like Poland, to bits then? Maybe because their ******** would not be tolerated internally and the Polish people would not pander to their ridiculous demands.

    What measures might those be? I'm going to guess close the borders, even though that would do very little, or more passport checks, because they definitely don't use fake passports :rolleyes: These terrorists are a determined bunch, there's very little that can stop them short of acquiring as much knowledge as possible on their leaders and movements, and using that to predict likely attacks, and that's not going to stop everything - hence why we need to remain calm and learn to live with the risks as the French PM has said. Even more so given tackling the root of them isn't a job that can be done in a day.
    1) Leave the EU, EEA and Schengen Area
    2) Enforce strict border controls with military level checks at the point of entry
    3) Raids on Mosques to root out extremist hubs and the closing down of faith schools
    4) Raids on known terrorist targets within France and use it as a reason to export them if they are not French nationals
    5) Introduction of deradicalisation facilities throughout the country
    6) Put in place a new counter terrorism plan with higher security presence in key public places

    So, there's a lot of things France can do in an attempt to combat terrorism. The notion that it must learn to live with it is ****ing ridiculous.
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    (Original post by welshiee)
    What has that got to do with France? France could quite easily take numerous measures to reduce the risk of terrorism in its own country.
    I'm not terribly sure how much you know about French politics. The country is already in a state of alert when it comes to terrorism. We're doing all we can.

    If you have any better ideas, write to the Senate, or to Hollande himself. Until then, please don't act as though the country is being lax with its stance on terrorism - this is a nation in mourning - do you think we want any of this and are simply being to lazy to act?

    If so, you are mistaken.
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    (Original post by Hirondelle127)
    I'm not terribly sure how much you know about French politics. The country is already in a state of alert when it comes to terrorism. We're doing all we can.

    If you have any better ideas, write to the Senate, or to Hollande himself. Until then, please don't act as though the country is being lax with its stance on terrorism - this is a nation in mourning - do you think we want any of this and are simply being to lazy to act?

    If so, you are mistaken.
    No. Your government is betraying its own people.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Fairly sure we took a number of measures to minimise the risk of being affected by an IRA attack, so yes?
    Yes, but there was never an acceptance that this was "normal".

    The French problem is simply poor intelligence gathering.
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    (Original post by welshiee)
    1) Leave the EU, EEA and Schengen Area
    2) Enforce strict border controls with military level checks at the point of entry
    3) Raids on Mosques to root out extremist hubs and the closing down of faith schools
    4) Raids on known terrorist targets within France and use it as a reason to export them if they are not French nationals
    5) Introduction of deradicalisation facilities throughout the country
    6) Put in place a new counter terrorism plan with higher security presence in key public places

    So, there's a lot of things France can do in an attempt to combat terrorism. The notion that it must learn to live with it is ****ing ridiculous.
    1) Except that's not what is causing terrorism. The EU might be the big boogeyman to you, but the only one remotely relevant is Schengen, and terrorists aren't exactly going to stop because there's a border there.
    2) Not going to keep out domestic terrorists, not going to stop others sneaking in. Amazingly most don't tend to walk up to the guardposts and declare their intents. They travel on fake passports and will of course avoid as much inspection as possible.
    3) Because of course raiding mosques and victimising muslims won't disenfranchise a lot of muslims and open them up to more extremism?
    4) And the French nationals?
    5) Deradicalisation programmes will already exist.
    6) And this plan will entail what exactly? Extra security won't stop attacks occurring, it just makes it easier to combat them and minimise their severity - which would still require us to stay calm and deal with the occurrence of terrorism.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    Yes, but there was never an acceptance that this was "normal".

    The French problem is simply poor intelligence gathering.
    And that's not what the French PM is saying - he's saying they need to stay calm and live with the risk of terrorism, not let it consume them but take sensible measures to not put themselves in undue danger.
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    (Original post by MildredMalone)
    If you keep bringing muslim into your country, then it's a sad fact you should be prepared for more terrorism. I'd sooner see something drastic done about it though.
    Its an ideological cancer. It moves around the world corrupting healthy cells and then grows like a tumour from within creating havoc and doing immense damage. At first it's benign and merely a presence in an otherwise healthy cell, then when the immune system lets its guard down it then starts to grow and cause modest disruption. After initial disruption it then launches attack after attack until it destroys the healthy cell.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    And that's not what the French PM is saying - he's saying they need to stay calm and live with the risk of terrorism, not let it consume them but take sensible measures to not put themselves in undue danger.
    If the French comments have been lost in translation, then so be it.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    1) Except that's not what is causing terrorism. The EU might be the big boogeyman to you, but the only one remotely relevant is Schengen, and terrorists aren't exactly going to stop because there's a border there.
    2) Not going to keep out domestic terrorists, not going to stop others sneaking in. Amazingly most don't tend to walk up to the guardposts and declare their intents. They travel on fake passports and will of course avoid as much inspection as possible.
    3) Because of course raiding mosques and victimising muslims won't disenfranchise a lot of muslims and open them up to more extremism?
    4) And the French nationals?
    5) Deradicalisation programmes will already exist.
    6) And this plan will entail what exactly? Extra security won't stop attacks occurring, it just makes it easier to combat them and minimise their severity - which would still require us to stay calm and deal with the occurrence of terrorism.
    Why are you apologising for ISIS?
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    1) Except that's not what is causing terrorism. The EU might be the big boogeyman to you, but the only one remotely relevant is Schengen, and terrorists aren't exactly going to stop because there's a border there.
    It does not have to be the cause to stop it having an impact. The terrorists that committed previously atrocities had easily travelled all around Europe, including to Brussels in Belgium, to coordinate an attack. Are you suggesting it would be just as easy for them without Schengen? Such idiocy. Go and try taking a load of armed ammunition into Romania in the back of a white van and see how far you get. Every time I've driven into Romania I've had dogs sniffing my car for drugs and weapons. Can you tell me of an Islamic terrorist attack on Romanian soil please?

    2) Not going to keep out domestic terrorists, not going to stop others sneaking in. Amazingly most don't tend to walk up to the guardposts and declare their intents. They travel on fake passports and will of course avoid as much inspection as possible.
    If France basically enforces a military police state it can keep people out.

    3) Because of course raiding mosques and victimising muslims won't disenfranchise a lot of muslims and open them up to more extremism?
    If raiding Mosques opens up Muslims to extremism then there's quite clearly a massive problem there. If a country protecting its own interests is enough to push you to extremism against it then the problem is you, not the country.

    4) And the French nationals?
    5) Deradicalisation programmes will already exist.
    I know, but heightened security and tighter border controls will also help. It needs to be a multi pronged approach.

    The EU's free movement most definitely has played a part in terrorists moving freely around the continent and coordinating attacks.

    If it didn't, why did France call to suspend Schengen? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...n-borders.html

    Why do EU ministers admit it? http://www.euractiv.com/section/just...sters-confess/

    6) And this plan will entail what exactly? Extra security won't stop attacks occurring, it just makes it easier to combat them and minimise their severity - which would still require us to stay calm and deal with the occurrence of terrorism.
    Extra security will stop attacks occurring because security is not just more people on the ground but the measures taken at a higher level to stop the threat.
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    (Original post by Fugggggg :DDD)
    Why are you apologising for ISIS?
    Well, if he's Muslim than I think that is what many right-wingers expect of him.
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    (Original post by welshiee)



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    don't bother he's been brainwashed by the state.Only way he can change his mind is to experience it first hand.
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    (Original post by welshiee)
    Its an ideological cancer. It moves around the world corrupting healthy cells and then grows like a tumour from within creating havoc and doing immense damage. At first it's benign and merely a presence in an otherwise healthy cell, then when the immune system lets its guard down it then starts to grow and cause modest disruption. After initial disruption it then launches attack after attack until it destroys the healthy cell.
    I doubt if we were so destructive in our foreign policy then this would be happening. It's like the attacks by the IRA and then calling all the Irish and/or Catholics terrorists.
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    (Original post by hellodave5)
    I doubt if we were so destructive in our foreign policy then this would be happening. It's like the attacks by the IRA and then calling all the Irish and/or Catholics terrorists.
    Our foreign policy has been akin to using chemo on the cancer only to then let even more extreme mutations of it take over and manifest. I am not refuting our part in allowing even more extremist factions of Islam to form but the reality is these branches of Islam will always grow out of corrupted roots.

    Replace those corrupted roots with peaceful ones and you would see more branches of peaceful Islam manifest in the future but that will never happen as the word of Allah cannot be changed and is deemed perfect.
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    (Original post by welshiee)


    If France basically enforces a military police state it can keep people out.

    Just because you are comfortable in jackboots doesn't mean the rest of the French population are. The memories of the Nazis and Vichy still resonate there.

    All the French government needs to do is watch and listen both electronically and by people on the ground. As is becoming clear, this attacker might as well have been screaming that he was going to carry out an atrocity, but none of the myriad of French secret services picked up on it, probably because they were too busy with their turf wars.
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    (Original post by welshiee)
    3) Raids on Mosques to root out extremist hubs
    5) Introduction of deradicalisation facilities throughout the country
    Yea that will work.
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    What can actually be done to stop it though other than what is already been done? Security services are already doing all they can. They can't stop every attack. You could tighten up boarders a bit but there are enough extremists already in the country like the last guy. Invading Syria or anywhere else isn't going to help.

    It's all well and good saying we must stand up and fight terrorism but what do people saying this actually suggest we do? It's all rhetoric as I'm concerned. There are likely to be further terror attacks and there is nothing the French government, or anyone else can do.
 
 
 
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