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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Presumably this attitude means that Africans should not wear t-shirts and trousers, Europeans may not eat curry, Japanese may not drink whisky lest they give offence for cultural appropriation, and only Europeans should be able to use cars and trains.

    It is a specious and nonsensical concept, invented by SJWs purely to have something to argue about.
    I guess that's a no to the OP then.
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    (Original post by Good bloke;[url="tel:66534154")
    66534154[/url]]Are you saying all religious beliefs should be respected? Or just the ones ingrained into a culture?

    It doesn't matter how ingrained into the culture a belief is, if it is irrational it is not worthy of respect.

    If someone spat on my mother's grave I would think they were wasting their time as she is past caring, and I have more sense than to be offended. Respect for people, dead or alive, though, is not the same as respect for irrational beliefs.
    Yes, we should respect in all things that are worthy of respect - perhaps they may not be worthy for you but for me they are. I'm agnostic and do not believe in organised religion. Nonetheless I still respect them, their community traditions etcetera.

    If people want to be offended, then they should be offended; I don't know why there happens to be this trending force where we're not allowed to find things offensive.

    Ridiculous.

    Respect is respect - why should we respect someone dead?
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    It probably is to native Americans. Ask one.
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    (Original post by teenhorrorstory)
    I'm not going to name the name of the institute, but I'm currently at a summer school event and tonight we have a costume party. We are limited in choices as the outfits must begin with specific letters. I bought a Native American outfit(really just a brown dress and thin headband with a feather). Earlier today I was confronted by one of the leaders about how my chosen choice of costume is 'cultural appropriation' and may deemed as offensive to some. Frankly I find this absurd, and plan on wearing it still. However I've been attempting to to look at alternative opinions about why such costume is offensive or not right. What are your opinions?
    Sounds like a pinko to me, he is being a ****.
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    (Original post by SterlingArcher)
    I don't know why there happens to be this trending force where we're not allowed to find things offensive.
    I don't know why there happens to be this trending force where we're constantly told what we can and can't do because we might hurt the feelings of some old people thousands of miles away
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Has anybody actually bothered to ask the ancestors of native Americans their opinion? Their opinion should be respected as authority of this matter surely?
    Yeah it's like the whole 'Native American' thing, seeing how American Indian is now deemed racist.

    If you look at most Native American organisations, both in north and south (but more so north), they actually use the Term Indian themselves.... also the majority of people offended by mascots and/or headdresses are SJW's, most Native American in the Casino trade for example openly use sacred dress for non sacred purposes.

    However one thing they don't like is the term 'redskin'..... seeing it's been a racial slur pretty much since it's inception. Same with the term Eskimo.
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    (Original post by SterlingArcher)
    Yes, we should respect in all things that are worthy of respect
    So you think the Meso-American religions that used human sacrifice in large numbers are worthy of respect, and the more modern head-hunting cultures?
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    (Original post by TelAviv;[url="tel:66534672")
    66534672[/url]]I don't know why there happens to be this trending force where we're constantly told what we can and can't do because we might hurt the feelings of some old people thousands of miles away
    Difference being, it's not just about offending old people is it?

    Even when there may be sufficient cause to be hurt/annoyed by something it's always downplayed so...
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    (Original post by Good bloke;[url="tel:66534846")
    66534846[/url]]So you think the Meso-American religions that used human sacrifice in large numbers are worthy of respect, and the more modern head-hunting cultures?
    Yes
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    (Original post by SterlingArcher)
    Yes
    So the fact that the beliefs are irrational and held for religious purposes trumps what the beliefs are?

    Do you respect the views of the Nazis who carried on human sacrifice to an even greater degree?
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    Is the event the UNIQ Oxford summer school BOP? Ya, I expected as much, universities tend to be very PC to protect their reputation. I think it's stupid, the majority of most cultures don't mind if you dress up as something from their culture, since you obviously don't mean offence. In fact you could argue it helps cultures understand one another. But it's not worth kicking up a fuss about tbh, you probably want to leave a good impression. So my advice would be to not go as a Native American, even though you might not believe it's wrong.
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    Thanks for all your responses. In the end I decided to wear the costume
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    (Original post by Good bloke;[url="tel:66534972")
    66534972[/url]]So the fact that the beliefs are irrational and held for religious purposes trumps what the beliefs are?

    Do you respect the views of the Nazis who carried on human sacrifice to an even greater degree?
    Nope, but since you want to ask me silly questions I'll entertain it; I said already that I'm against organised religion but I respect certain traditions and cultures of these religions.

    This is not me saying I respect Christians using the Bible as justification for slavery etc. I respect traditions such as marriage where they see it as a spiritual bond or respecting Muslims that fasting.

    When it comes to religions and beliefs that sacrifice people - it's a nono from that aspect. It doesn't mean that they won't have something there worthy of respect.

    For example, if they have a certain attitude towards the care of the elderly, like Catholics believing in having a duty to look after Earth etc.
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    (Original post by teenhorrorstory)
    Thanks for all your responses. In the end I decided to wear the costume
    Alright, have a good time!
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    (Original post by SterlingArcher)
    Nope, but since you want to ask me silly questions I'll entertain it; I said already that I'm against organised religion but I respect certain traditions and cultures of these religions.

    This is not me saying I respect Christians using the Bible as justification for slavery etc. I respect traditions such as marriage where they see it as a spiritual bond or respecting Muslims that fasting.

    When it comes to religions and beliefs that sacrifice people - it's a nono from that aspect. It doesn't mean that they won't have something there worthy of respect.

    For example, if they have a certain attitude towards the care of the elderly, like Catholics believing in having a duty to look after Earth etc.
    Well, I asked specific questions and it now appears you gave rather unspecific answers. It now transpires that only selected religious practices and beliefs are worthy of your respect; ones you deem worthy of respect in an entirely individual and subjective way, as is only reasonable.

    You'll understand that others have different views and will reasonably respect altogether different subsets of religions' beliefs, or none at all. So claiming that people should not use certain clothing as you (a non-adherent) happen to respect that particular aspect of that particular religion,is fraught with difficulty for the potential party-goer. You probably won't even be at the party. Who knows?

    The best solution is simply to go as whatever you wish and allow anyone who is offended to be offended without taking offence yourself.
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    (Original post by teenhorrorstory)
    Thanks for all your responses. In the end I decided to wear the costume
    good for you, i dont think you mean any harm or disrespect anyways.
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    You can wear whatever you want OP. Anyone who has ever used the phrase 'cultural appropriation' in a non-ironic sense is not worth worrying about.
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    Oh did anyone make a fuss about the costume?
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    (Original post by Alexion)
    I wish I were a girl just so I could wear a kimono tbh :emo:
    if you identify as a girl you are a girl... get that kimono on babe

    :desu: *
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    (Original post by SterlingArcher)
    No, for the most part this is wrong. Native Americans make money through the land that the US government allows them to have (which I believe they're also allowed their own tax)
    Does that notion (the one in which settlers steal land and then are gracious enough to let the indigenous people live on it again after they've realised that the natural resources the land contained before they got there aren't infinite) not strike you as more immoral than someone wearing a headband with a feather in it?

    Priorities m8. There are much more important things to debate than the clothing someone is wearing.
 
 
 
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