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    (Original post by JRKinder)
    But that support is insignificant when compared to the electorate as a whole, in that it won't shift the balance of power. No matter how you try to spin it, the overall electorate is no where near as left wing as Corbyn is so he can't possibly win. It doesn't matter how readily you can get your message out, if most of the population disagree with the message in the first place it will be ineffective at converting a significant enough number of people to sway the election in Labour's favour. If Labour want a chance at winning then they have to move their platform more towards the right, regardless of whether the die-hard Corbynites want to or not. Surely you'd prefer a chance to actually get in office and implement right-of-Corbyn but left-of-Tory policies than another Tory majority government, particularly one as right-wing as May's cabinet?
    Corbyn is not really left more centre. It is just the Tories have moved further right and 'new' Labour followed them. If people actually get to hear about his policies rather than the mainstream media spun rhetoric they may yet find they are in tune with him. Pre judging electability based on old prejudices is not necessarily right. Given the chance I think he has a very good chance of winning.
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    (Original post by Redmonkey14)
    183,000 people have joined the Labour Party in the last 48 hours. Membership now well over 500,000. Whatever you think of Corbyn he's rallied more people to join a political party than any other politician- surpassing Tony Blair in the 90's. Any other politician for any other party and that would be national news. It's not, why?
    Corbyn has rallied 500,000 to join a Cult/Protest Group.

    A Corbyn 'led' Party stands no chance of winning enough seats in a GE to have any real say in Parliament. And that is irrespective of whether the Labour Party as we know it splits or not. It will have even less chance if the sensible just left-er of Centre goes its own way.

    Add to the the forthcoming boundary changes which, as I understand it, should increase the number of Tory seats and it will be even further into the wilderness.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Parties don't win elections by rallying their membership. Congrats he's mobilised less than a 1% of the voting public, what about the rest? Labour is behind the tories in the polls despite their leader stepping down and a new pm back tracking on their key commitments. So far all he has succeeded in doing is dividing labour and making its opposition ineffective.

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    It is the membership that rally the voters, during elections, and he has 600,000 of them now.. He is behind in the polls because the PLP and media are attacking him, and the public are not getting to hear his policies. He did not start the coup, so he is not the divisive one.
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    (Original post by Redmonkey14)
    183,000 people have joined the Labour Party in the last 48 hours. Membership now well over 500,000. Whatever you think of Corbyn he's rallied more people to join a political party than any other politician- surpassing Tony Blair in the 90's. Any other politician for any other party and that would be national news. It's not, why?
    Because he's making the country far more right wing by being so weak in opposition, he can't oppose any legislation the government puts forth. Right now, they could pass just about anything through parliament. So, this left wing man is making the country more right wing.

    Corbyn is the ultimate principle politician. But we live in a country where there are many different principles and the principles of a Labour voter in the North are rather different from a Labour voter in the South East. Unless, he can represent all those people, he can never lead.

    Let's face it. Jeremy Corbyn represents Jeremy Corbyn. Look at his vote on Trident, he doesn't represent the views of the Labour party or its voters, he just wants to represent Jeremy Corbyn.

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    (Original post by Aliccam)
    Corbyn is not really left more centre. It is just the Tories have moved further right and 'new' Labour followed them. If people actually get to hear about his policies rather than the mainstream media spun rhetoric they may yet find they are in tune with him. Pre judging electability based on old prejudices is not necessarily right. Given the chance I think he has a very good chance of winning.
    You're kidding, right? Corbyn is no where near the centre, that's the territory of Blair. People have heard his policies and almost all but his personal fan club of supporters don't like them, his position on Trident is opposed even within the Labour Party, never mind the wider electorate. I also read that he wants to introduce a 'maximum wage' which is incredibly left-wing and will just result in all of the talented graduates leaving this country to go somewhere where they'll be better paid, such as Germany or the USA. I'm not prejudging him based on old prejudices, I'm looking at the policies he's advocating today and they are not at all in line with the general electorate.
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    (Original post by Aliccam)
    It is the membership that rally the voters, during elections, and he has 600,000 of them now.. He is behind in the polls because the PLP and media are attacking him, and the public are not getting to hear his policies. He did not start the coup, so he is not the divisive one.
    And yet, local parties are complaining the newbies aren't doing much in terms of volunteering. Whilst other members seem to be chilling on him slightly, the divides in the party go as far as the local level.
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    (Original post by Aliccam)
    Corbyn is not really left more centre. It is just the Tories have moved further right and 'new' Labour followed them. If people actually get to hear about his policies rather than the mainstream media spun rhetoric they may yet find they are in tune with him. Pre judging electability based on old prejudices is not necessarily right. Given the chance I think he has a very good chance of winning.
    He has as good a chance of winning a GE as he would have of winning the National Lottery after not buying a ticket
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    (Original post by Aliccam)
    Given the chance I think he has a very good chance of winning.
    Ignoring his unelectability in England, the Labour party can't win a majority while the SNP holds basically all the Scottish seats. Corbyn's policies won't win Scottish voters back, so Labour cannot win a General.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Ignoring his unelectability in England, the Labour party can't win a majority while the SNP holds basically all the Scottish seats. Corbyn's policies won't win Scottish voters back, so Labour cannot win a General.
    I remember something similar being said about the SNP, a few elections ago. Labour can win, though I admit first past the post is stacked in favor of the Tories. Under your thinking we may as well all give up and have the Tories forever whoever is the leader.
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    (Original post by viffer)
    He has as good a chance of winning a GE as he would have of winning the National Lottery after not buying a ticket
    If you listen to the media and the polls, and they never get it wrong. They even think Owen Smith has a chance. William Hill have him 7/1 to lose if he actually goes the distance.
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    (Original post by JRKinder)
    You're kidding, right? Corbyn is no where near the centre, that's the territory of Blair. People have heard his policies and almost all but his personal fan club of supporters don't like them, his position on Trident is opposed even within the Labour Party, never mind the wider electorate. I also read that he wants to introduce a 'maximum wage' which is incredibly left-wing and will just result in all of the talented graduates leaving this country to go somewhere where they'll be better paid, such as Germany or the USA. I'm not prejudging him based on old prejudices, I'm looking at the policies he's advocating today and they are not at all in line with the general electorate.
    I think you have named two which are not popular with the PLP and establishment rather than the wider electorate. I think any maximums if they ever got anywhere would be well above anything but a very few would ever achieve, though I think he was talking about ratios of inequality rather than maximums. Opposition to nuclear weapons is quite popular and would be more so if presented truthfully.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    And yet, local parties are complaining the newbies aren't doing much in terms of volunteering. Whilst other members seem to be chilling on him slightly, the divides in the party go as far as the local level.
    Information on this seems to go up and down like a yoyo at the moment, Once the leadership has been rerun the party members will come together. It is mainly the current uncertainty and nasty propaganda that is causing problems, if there really are any, other than a few isolated incidents.
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    I have to admit I lean to the left of politics. But I like him he has ideals, which re good ideals and as a young(er) person I feel he represents me more than the posh toffs in the Tories do. If they returned actually to one nation ideals then I would agree he would have no chance. But they maintain their Thatcherite neo-liberalism, with this I genuinely believe Corbyn does have an opportunity. Furthermore watching the first PMQs with May only strengthens this.
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    (Original post by Aliccam)
    I think you have named two which are not popular with the PLP and establishment rather than the wider electorate. I think any maximums if they ever got anywhere would be well above anything but a very few would ever achieve, though I think he was talking about ratios of inequality rather than maximums. Opposition to nuclear weapons is quite popular and would be more so if presented truthfully.
    Obviously this is just anecdotal, but I don't know a single person (who would constitute as the 'wider electorate') who advocates either of the above policies. In general though from what I've observed through the media, discussions on here etc support for Trident is still pretty high. It seems to be mainly the younger, left-leaning voters who don't want it, and their turnout is always low. As for the maximum wage, I agree that equality has to be addressed but I think higher taxation on large-earners (i.e. those earning hundreds of thousands/millions, not the middle classes in the £50k-150k range) is a better policy because at least then public funds would increase and could be spent on improving infrastructure or healthcare, or whatever, and talented graduates wouldn't be discouraged from staying in the UK.
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    (Original post by JRKinder)
    As for the maximum wage, I agree that equality has to be addressed but I think higher taxation on large-earners (i.e. those earning hundreds of thousands/millions, not the middle classes in the £50k-150k range) is a better policy because at least then public funds would increase and could be spent on improving infrastructure or healthcare, or whatever, and talented graduates wouldn't be discouraged from staying in the UK.
    As far as I know this exactly what Corbyn is proposing. He is not looking to increase the tax burden on middle incomes, he has always talked about £150K and up.
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    I think he is showing strong leadership and direction. Whether he can turn this in to a party united around his uncompromising socialist principles and then win power is the highly debatable question. I think it's time someone gave it a try. Not convinced by the leadership credentials of his challengers by the way.
 
 
 
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