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Reply 20
why don't you play video games like most youths?
There's tier 1 & 2 unis for sure but after that there's nothing much imbetween to get excited about.
Original post by Mathmoji
Once you go beyond grad schemes and initial jobs, employers don't care about where your degree is from.


So why does Oxbridge vastly over represent all the top job industries?
In my humble opinion there should be a separate Tier 2 for LSE, Imperial, UCL, Warwick, Durham, Bristol, and Edinburgh.
Original post by skeptical_john
So why does Oxbridge vastly over represent all the top job industries?


correlation does not equal causation.
Original post by Mathmoji
correlation does not equal causation.



except we have mountains of evidence that shows the benefits of social capital from elite unis. The building up of influential circles that can only happen at these places.
Reply 26
Original post by tanyapotter
In my humble opinion there should be a separate Tier 2 for LSE, Imperial, UCL, Warwick, Durham, Bristol, and Edinburgh.


St. Andrews? :beard:
Original post by 1 8 13 20 42
St. Andrews? :beard:


St Andrews and maybe KCL too...
Reply 28
Original post by tanyapotter
St Andrews and maybe KCL too...


Don't forget Wolverhampton
Original post by JohnGreek
I agree - seeing LSE/Imperial/UCL/KCL in the same category as QMUL irked me a little.

Then again, this list was pointless enough already, particularly as we don't know what it's ranking and what weighting it places on different factors.


In fact, I'd be ever so inclined as to place Imperial and LSE just a bit higher than the aforementioned and instead in the Oxbridge category - but maybe I am pushing it.

But then again, it's a pointless list.

EDIT: To be honest, I'm thinking mainly in terms of Imperial Engineering and LSE Economics, so I'm probably pushing it to suggest that they are in the same tier as Oxbridge holistically..
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Reply 30
Original post by KardasDragon
I tried to keep this asbalanced as possible, any feedback is appreciated


Tier 1

Self explanatory.

University of Oxford

University of Cambridge

Tier 2

Typically large universities with a huge range of faculties and an enormous research budget. They have big names and are considered quite elite in a wide variety of subjects. World class in the best sense of the word. These constitute of RGs+4.

University of Birmingham

University of Bristol

Cardiff University

Durham University

University of Edinburgh

University of Exeter

University of Glasgow

Imperial College London

King's College London

University of Leeds

University of Liverpool

London School of Economics& Political Science

University of Manchester

Newcastle University

University of Nottingham

Queen Mary, UniversityofLondon

Queen's University Belfast

University of Sheffield

University of Southampton

University College London

University of Warwick

University of York

University of Bath

Lancaster University

Loughborough University

University of St Andrews

Tier 3

Slightly smaller thantheir RG+4 bretheren, these unis aren't as well known but still enjoy respect in a good amount of fields, while also being looked upon favourably by employers. Couple years may go by and they could go up a notch. Great stuff all things considered.


University of Aberdeen

University of Dundee

University of East Anglia

University of Essex

Heriot-Watt University

Keele University

University of Kent

University of Leicester

University of Reading

Royal Holloway

SOAS

University of Strathclyde

University of Surrey

University of Sussex

Swansea University

Tier 4

Excell in a smaller range of subjects, but are extremely proficient in what they do. They are usually smaller, but have tight links to where they need to.

Aston University

Bangor University

Brunel University London

City University London

Coventry University

Harper Adams University

Royal AgriculturalUniversity

Royal Veterinary College

University of Stirling

St. George’s

University of the Arts,London

Robert Gordon University

Tier 5

Are separated from Tier6 by having one or two stellar subjects, or a good track record in some other manner (such as work with industry). They aren't usually first choices, but are solid when they play to their respective strengths. A good amount of them are rising ex-polys.


Abertay University (videogame tech)

Aberystwyth University(politics)

Bournemouth University(computer related media)

Universityof Buckingham (medicine, english)

University of Bradford(international relations, business) also fantastic graduate employment records

Glasgow CaledonianUniversity (nursing, fashion, lots of service related subjects)

De Montfort University(english, design related subjects)

Falmouth University (arts)

Goldsmiths (art and design)

University of Hertfordshire(aerospace, history, business) very employability focused

University of Hull(languages, health related)

University of Lincoln (agriculture, health related)

Northumbria University(business, the professions)

Oxford Brookes(architecture, law)

Plymouth University(marine, health professions)

University of Portsmouth(health professions)

University of Salford(media and journalism)

Ulster University(biosciences, celtic studies, law, nursing, design)

University of Derby(radiography)

Edge Hill University (THEUni of the Year)

University of Huddersfield(arts, social sciences)

Kingston University (artand design, also renown for work with start-ups)

Liverpool JohnMooresUniversity (sports sciences)

ManchesterMetropolitanUniversity (education)

Nottingham Trent University(creative arts, lots of employer links)

Roehampton University(performance arts)

Sheffield Hallam University(sports science, health & social care)

Teesside University (healthrelated, digital tech)

Norwich University of theArts (arts)

University of Winchester(arts)

University West of England(forensic sciences)

Queen Margaret University(medicine related)


Tier 6

Neither here nor there.Average I suppose. Faculty quality is variable and the unis don't stand out toomuch. Might have good time or might not.

University West of Scotland

Birmingham City University

University ofGloucestershire

University for theCreativeArts

Middlesex University

Canterbury ChristchurchUniversity

University of Westminister

University of Cumbria

Cardiff MetropolitanUniversity

Bath Spa University

Arts University Bournemouth

University of Chichester

Liverpool Hope University

University of Northampton

University of Brighton

Edinburgh Napier University

University of Chester

University of Worcester

University of Greenwich

University of South Wales

University of Central Lancashire

Staffordshire University

University of Sunderland

University of West London

York St John University

Anglia Ruskin University

Buckinghamshire NewUniversity

Leeds Beckett University

Southampton SolentUniversity

London South BankUniversity

Newman University

St Mary's, Twickenham

Bishop GrossetesteUniversity

University of Bedfordshire

University of Bolton

University of WalesTrinitySaint David

University of St Mark andStJohn

Glyndwr University



Tier 7

Going here mightactually hurt you.

University of East London

London MetropolitanUniversity

Tier 0

Due to a differentapproach to teaching, these can't be ranked normally. They exist because theycater to certain people's needs and are very good at doing that.

University of the HighlandsandIslands

Open University

Birkbeck



Feedback?


You are not putting universities such as ICL or LSE in the same tier as Liverpool or Cardiff, are you? Like, seriously? For me as a foreigner this is particularly strange. The reliable rankings which really focus on the quality of teaching and the academic standard and/or employment prospects are the QS World University Rankings and The Times Higher Education University Rankings. If you apply for a job in Germany, the US or the UAE or Japan, this is the university rankings they employers are going to look at [if any], not the complete university guide or Guardian measuring student satisfaction, but even without those they will know Oxbridge and the other top ones.
You sure were bored.
Why's St Georges so low down?
Remember Yeah your there to get an education but If you don`t like the place you study are really going to excel in a subject. I love my Unis i`m looking to go to and yeah their official standing is completely different but after going to an open day i was sure i wanted to go to these places. I agree with doing your own League Table but focus on things like Student Satisfaction, Graduate Prospects and the overall score on a Uni. Why not if your bored get in to do some Volunteering or Doing something to boost up your Personal Statement or even if you have an interview. TAKE ALL LEAGUE TABLES WITH A PINCH OF SALT is my advice because it may be number one for you subject but it may not be the place for you!
Original post by skeptical_john
except we have mountains of evidence that shows the benefits of social capital from elite unis. The building up of influential circles that can only happen at these places.


So what you're saying is that they all make friends at uni and give jobs to their mates when they are older?

I'm not sure that proves your argument that there is something inherently better about a Oxford grad compared to a MMU grad.
I found out(by chance after I'd firmed) that Leicester turned down an invitation to join the RG when it was formed.

http://the-ripple.co.uk/higher-education-left-in-shock-after-1994-group-disbands/

Would they be in Tier 2 if they'd accepted?
Reply 36
LSE in the same tier as Sheffield.

Makes sense.
Original post by Mathmoji
So what you're saying is that they all make friends at uni and give jobs to their mates when they are older?

I'm not sure that proves your argument that there is something inherently better about a Oxford grad compared to a MMU grad.


that's exactly what happens. just read up on the chumocracy in the cameron government.

It's inherently better because of the 100s of years of reputation it has built world wide.
Original post by skeptical_john
that's exactly what happens. just read up on the chumocracy in the cameron government.

It's inherently better because of the 100s of years of reputation it has built world wide.


What happens when you are applying for a job where your mate isn't the interviewer then?

Cameron isn't giving his mates jobs because they are his mates. Hes giving his mates jobs because he knows them and believes they have the skills required to do the job. That is all any employer cares about; that you have the skills needed to do the job. Unfortunately, going to oxbridge is not a guarantee that you possess those skills.

As an employer, I don't care about the graduates oxbridge churned out 200 years ago; I care about this person, in front of me, right now. And I'd take a couple of years successful experience over a university name any day of the week.
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Original post by Mathmoji
What happens when you are applying for a job where your mate isn't the interviewer then?

Cameron isn't giving his mates jobs because they are his mates. Hes giving his mates jobs because he knows them and believes they have the skills required to do the job. That is all any employer cares about; that you have the skills needed to do the job. Unfortunately, going to oxbridge is not a guarantee that you possess those skills.

As an employer, I don't care about the graduates oxbridge churned out 200 years ago; I care about this person, in front of me, right now. And I'd take a couple of years successful experience over a university name any day of the week.


There is no interview process. You see a cv with someone who was in your former debate club and he's in.

It's not a guarantee but it vastly increases you chances all other things being equal. And its mainly with certain professions. Journalism/Law/Medicane etc

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