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    (Original post by Sebastian Bartlett)
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7156381.html

    Conservative lead at 16!

    Thank you so much comrade Corbyn, hope you keep fighting for the leadership until at least 2020!
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    (Original post by Luke Kostanjsek)
    I'd suggest that the most able Labour politician - and almost certainly the most likely to win an election as leader - is probably Gisela Stuart. I thought she was one of the few who came out of the Brexit debate with their reputation enhanced (the only other probably being Ruth Davidson). Ironic really, given as she's also got to be one of those least likely to win a Labour leadership race.
    stuart’s my mp - she’s ****. she’s got a *****y response rate and keeps getting elected by champagne socialists, and is a part of the bourgeoisie
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    Dan Jarvis is fantastic (though he needs a little more time on the vine to ripen, in my opinion); Sir Keir Starmer is too.

    Andy Burnham is absolutely terrible; widely reviled for being a spineless c-word and now a complete non-entity in the party since he spread his legs for the Corbyn cult in the pathetic hope of somehow being able to take over the party with Corbynista support when Corbyn steps down
    Andy Burnham is going for Mayor of Greater Manchester, he's got no reason to mix himself up in this nonsense when he's not planning to continue as an MP.
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    (Original post by JamesN88)
    Andy Burnham is going for Mayor of Greater Manchester, he's got no reason to mix himself up in this nonsense when he's not planning to continue as an MP.
    There are now questions over that; he may not get the Labour nomination after backstabbing so many people. He's distrusted by the Corbynista and despised by his former allies; he may not have the support to pull it off
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    Why on earth would you call Corbyn an idiot? He has spent his whole life trying to promote equality, peace and social justice. If he is an idiot for trying to make the world a more equal, just and peaceful place then I would be happy to be called an idiot.

    He's motivated hundreds of thousands of people into (or back into) politics and a lot of his policies are widely supported by the public. It's a breath of fresh air having a principled politician in the main stream.

    The whole idea of voting for a party, not on their principles, but just so they can get into power is ridiculous. I support the core ideals of Labour, but would never have supported the party under Blair's ideas.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    Dan Jarvis is fantastic (though he needs a little more time on the vine to ripen, in my opinion); Sir Keir Starmer is too.

    Andy Burnham is absolutely terrible; widely reviled for being a spineless c-word and now a complete non-entity in the party since he spread his legs for the Corbyn cult in the pathetic hope of somehow being able to take over the party with Corbynista support when Corbyn steps down
    Ah yeah, I'd forgotten about Andy Burham's actions - my main memory of him was from a speech I went to last July, when the election wasn't completely dominated by Corbyn. He was charismatic and generally sensible, and I left the event optimistic for Labour's future. Now he's far from great.

    I've completely given up hope for the 2020 election so my main concern is now the 2020 leadership election. I'm hoping that the membership will realise that left-wing doesn't win elections, and opt for a decent candidate. What instead will probably happen is they'll blame 'Blairites', and Momentum will work to elect John McDonnell or similar, and the cycle will repeat all over again.
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    (Original post by Brit_Miller)
    The whole idea of voting for a party, not on their principles, but just so they can get into power is ridiculous. I support the core ideals of Labour, but would never have supported the party under Blair's ideas.
    I understand your point, but Labour is effectively becoming a pressure group. If some compromises aren't made in order to reach power, the Conservatives are effectively guaranteed to stay in government - and as long as there's hardly any chance of Labour winning power, the Conservatives completely lack accountability as they're almost guaranteed to win the next election, regardless of their actions.
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    If Corbyn is so ineffective, why are people like Owen Smith and even to some extent Theresa May starting to talk his talk.
    A similar thing happened with Bernie Sanders in US. They said he would never get anywhere started over 40 points behind, ****ged him of, used every dirty trick in the book, Clinton started running on similar policies, and he came close to winning the Democratic nomination.
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    Read through this post and most of it reads like the Telegraph. If you really want to find out about Corbyn, and don't just want the dirt, I don't suggest you look at most of the mainstream media. Labour List is quite a good website as they have articles from both sides of the argument and they even mention one or two policies.
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    (Original post by AfcFob)
    Personally, I might have voted Labour at the next GE if Andy Burnham was Labour leader because I have been able to meet him at my college and he is lovely! (He is my college's principal's brother but I wanted him before I knew this)

    I cannot and will not vote for Corbyn because I don't like his stance on communism and I don't believe he could run a country. I will vote for Conservatives in the foreseeable future unless there is serious change in Labour as it looks like they're tearing themselves apart.

    Theresa May looks like a much better option to me

    What is Corbyn's stance on communism?
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    All this rubbish that people continue to post about Jeremy Corbyn is sad. People saying that he won't win an election is funny.

    It was the same thing with people arguing that the UK will remain in the EU during the Brexit vote. I am sure that if Corbyn wins in 2020, people will want another election.

    One important lesson about Polls, don't believe it.
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    (Original post by Brit_Miller)
    Why on earth would you call Corbyn an idiot? He has spent his whole life trying to promote equality, peace and social justice. If he is an idiot for trying to make the world a more equal, just and peaceful place then I would be happy to be called an idiot.

    He's motivated hundreds of thousands of people into (or back into) politics and a lot of his policies are widely supported by the public. It's a breath of fresh air having a principled politician in the main stream.

    The whole idea of voting for a party, not on their principles, but just so they can get into power is ridiculous. I support the core ideals of Labour, but would never have supported the party under Blair's ideas.
    Well, if he has no intention to get into power then maybe he should **** off and lead a far left party instead of hjacking the only serious opposition to the Conservatives.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    All this rubbish that people continue to post about Jeremy Corbyn is sad. People saying that he won't win an election is funny.

    It was the same thing with people arguing that the UK will remain in the EU during the Brexit vote. I am sure that if Corbyn wins in 2020, people will want another election.

    One important lesson about Polls, don't believe it.
    The referendum was a close run thing.

    This isn't.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.ind...561.html%3famp
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    (Original post by JamesN88)
    The referendum was a close run thing.



    This isn't.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.ind...561.html%3famp
    Wasn't it YouGov that badly mis-predicted the 2015 election and the Brexit referendum? I think that one needs to be a bit more cautious about polls and statistics.
    If the members of the Labour Party decide to vote for Corbyn to remain as Leader. Then he should be allowed to be the leader and see whether the UK voters will vote him in 2020.

    All these articles about how "unpopular" Corbyn is, to me, just political spin and propaganda.

    Let us see how things go, with the way things are going in UK Politics, another surprise may be on the horizon, hopefully with Corbyn as the next Prime Minister of the UK.
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    (Original post by Aliccam)
    If Corbyn is so ineffective, why are people like Owen Smith and even to some extent Theresa May starting to talk his talk.
    A similar thing happened with Bernie Sanders in US. They said he would never get anywhere started over 40 points behind, ****ged him of, used every dirty trick in the book, Clinton started running on similar policies, and he came close to winning the Democratic nomination.
    The minor difference between Sanders and Corbyn is that Sanders put the frights on Hilary by making some progress in polling and primary results. The Tories have led 95% of all polls in the current parliament (unlike Miliband who averaged small leads at this stage) and their lead is surging.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The minor difference between Sanders and Corbyn is that Sanders put the frights on Hilary by making some progress in polling and primary results. The Tories have led 95% of all polls in the current parliament (unlike Miliband who averaged small leads at this stage) and their lead is surging.
    Unfortunately for Corbyn what he did different to Sanders was that he won the leadership unexpectedly, so has been attacked after the event rather than before, and mainly by his own PLP rather than just the opposition. Comparing his situation to Milliband's is not relevant, he is having to fight a completely new kind of battle. We are unlikely to see any progress against the Tories until it has been resolved. His results in the polls are nothing to do with the Tories.
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    (Original post by Aliccam)
    Read through this post and most of it reads like the Telegraph. If you really want to find out about Corbyn, and don't just want the dirt, I don't suggest you look at most of the mainstream media. Labour List is quite a good website as they have articles from both sides of the argument and they even mention one or two policies.
    I wish you would read all media outlets, I mix it up and if they report a fact then there is no arguing against it.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    All this rubbish that people continue to post about Jeremy Corbyn is sad. People saying that he won't win an election is funny.

    It was the same thing with people arguing that the UK will remain in the EU during the Brexit vote. I am sure that if Corbyn wins in 2020, people will want another election.

    One important lesson about Polls, don't believe it.
    Difference was most reliable brexit polls actually showed leads ranging from about 8 points to remain to about 3 points to leave so not really that off. This is 16 points, 16 points! and most polls are showing huge gaps of 12+. Of course he could still win but very unlikely and polls may not be 100% accurate but not 16 points out.
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    The communists have hijacked Labour alright. Still least we still have a REAL non insane party around.
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    PLOT TWIST:

    All those new labour members that voted Corbyn in are actually tories
 
 
 
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