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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    I don't think it's a binary issue. I don't think it's a question with a yes or no answer - and that's not fudging it - that's just how most things are.

    If you asked me to frame it, I'd say this:

    1. Boobs aren't always sexual, but they usually are.

    2. Don't snap girls bra straps without a good reason.
    I feel you're kinda missing the point of my OP, but thank's for the contribution. I'll just finish by saying I agree you shouldn't go twanging a girls bra strap without good reason, in the same way I wouldn't pinch someones hat or untie a shoelace without good reason.
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    (Original post by Dheorl)
    My point in the OP thought is that the aim of the "free the nipple" campaign is to desexualise the nipple.
    No, the real aim of FTN is to remove stigma around women being sluts / them being sexually uninhibited.

    I also think its a clear example of feminist hoodwinking. Feminists know women being topless in public would lead to more sexual harassment of women, which would give support to their claims/complaints and make them seem more credible.
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    (Original post by Virgil.)
    "Free the nipple" campaign is so stupid.

    Women who want to free to the nipple dont seem to realise that their nipples being "locked up" is for their own good.

    Feminists decry men for their perviness, lecherousness and rapiness, but if it was ok for women to be topless in public, sexual harrassment of women would just increase lol - I mean if a women can be sexually harrassed just for wearing a mini-skirt, imagine what would happen if she had her tits out
    finally someone who has a brain!
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    I do not understand how men can walk around topless and women cannot. What is the logic there?
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    (Original post by 1010marina)
    I do not understand how men can walk around topless and women cannot. What is the logic there?
    I don't understand it either. When it comes to built up areas I don't think either should be allowed to, when it comes to beaches or mountains etc I really don't care what anyone wears.
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    i feel that twanging should be forbidden in public. would you want your children to see a grown man having a twang in front of them ?
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    Well sneaking up behind a guy and playing with his nipples seems rather sexual in intent. Nibbling on someone's ear lobe seems rather sexual in intent. Kissing someone or sticking your finger in their mouth seems rather sexual in intent. Many invasions of personal space can be construed as sexual in spite of whether or not they involve an inherently sexual body part. That said, twanging a bra strap obviously should not be seen as as serious as, for instance, groping someone's genitalia.

    I am very liberal when it comes to partial nudity. Sure, in many places, particularly of work, you want to minimise distraction, and people walking around bare chested is inadvisable lol. But otherwise, whatever. I mean if you want to walk around half naked, then do it; the extra attention/potential comments are on you of course..
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    (Original post by ForgettingWhatsername)
    Twanging someone's bra strap and telling women to cover up their nipples (when men don't have to) are, in my view, two actions resulting from the same (sexist) attitude: the idea that women's bodies in the public space are somehow always someone else's property, waiting to be regulated, commented on, or touched. It's about claiming ownership of your own body. No, I don't think female nipples should be seen as something inherently sexual. At the same time, I would feel humiliated if a random person twanged my bra strap, because they would be unwantedly encroaching on my personal space, thereby implicitly asserting that decisions about my own body are not mine to make. Twanging a woman's bra strap, and telling her to cover up, are both ways of putting her in her place.

    Hence, I don't think there's a paradox at all.
    The sort of idiots that twang someone's bra would also likely go up to smaller guys and hassle them. It's not sexist, it's maybe size-ist. As for the sexualisation of breasts, I always find it ridiculous when women complain about it. Firstly there is an innate attraction to breasts in a sexual regard, people don't choose to find breasts sexual. Secondly there are people saying that breasts shouldn't be sexualised and there are others making millions by sexualising them. It's almost like telling a child to wait for the green man and then dragging them across the road when you spot a gap.


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    With regards to the first one yes... I knew someone who got suspendedand threatened with criminal charges for baggying someone...
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    The sort of idiots that twang someone's bra would also likely go up to smaller guys and hassle them. It's not sexist, it's maybe size-ist. As for the sexualisation of breasts, I always find it ridiculous when women complain about it. Firstly there is an innate attraction to breasts in a sexual regard, people don't choose to find breasts sexual. Secondly there are people saying that breasts shouldn't be sexualised and there are others making millions by sexualising them. It's almost like telling a child to wait for the green man and then dragging them across the road when you spot a gap.


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    Tbf I think people are attracted to breasts largely in part because they are normally hidden and considered risque.

    I've seen large numbers of breasts in non sexual situations due to shooting nude calendars, and have to admit pay a lot less attention to them than I did before. Once you've seen them enough in a non sexual scenario they do become less sexual.
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    The sort of idiots that twang someone's bra would also likely go up to smaller guys and hassle them. It's not sexist, it's maybe size-ist. As for the sexualisation of breasts, I always find it ridiculous when women complain about it. Firstly there is an innate attraction to breasts in a sexual regard, people don't choose to find breasts sexual. Secondly there are people saying that breasts shouldn't be sexualised and there are others making millions by sexualising them. It's almost like telling a child to wait for the green man and then dragging them across the road when you spot a gap.


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    Herein lies the problem. What about the fact that chests are innately sexual to women? I can get all tingly when confronted with a nice hairy chest. Yet men can walk around bare-chested. Might this have to do with the fact that women's sexuality is considered less important than men's? On the other side, might it have to do with the fact that men are seen as basically animals who cannot help themselves when an inch of flesh is flashed?

    It's a position that insults and hurts us all. Personally, I just want to stop being viewed as an inherently sexual object because of my gender. And I want men to stop being viewed as inherently dangerous because of their gender.
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    (Original post by Dheorl)
    Tbf I think people are attracted to breasts largely in part because they are normally hidden and considered risque.

    I've seen large numbers of breasts in non sexual situations due to shooting nude calendars, and have to admit pay a lot less attention to them than I did before. Once you've seen them enough in a non sexual scenario they do become less sexual.
    I'm sure if you were to google why do men like breasts you'd find a million different studies suggesting a million different things.

    (Original post by porn induced coma)
    Herein lies the problem. What about the fact that chests are innately sexual to women? I can get all tingly when confronted with a nice hairy chest. Yet men can walk around bare-chested. Might this have to do with the fact that women's sexuality is considered less important than men's? On the other side, might it have to do with the fact that men are seen as basically animals who cannot help themselves when an inch of flesh is flashed?

    It's a position that insults and hurts us all. Personally, I just want to stop being viewed as an inherently sexual object because of my gender. And I want men to stop being viewed as inherently dangerous because of their gender.
    There's no law here that says you can't be topless if you want, you choose not just like I choose not to walk topless down the street.

    You're being very dramatic, you aren't viewed as a sex object because you're female


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    There's no law here that says you can't be topless if you want, you choose not just like I choose not to walk topless down the street.

    You're being very dramatic, you aren't viewed as a sex object because you're female


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    Le sigh.*

    No, there is no specific law. But if some ridiculous person decide to take offence at my toplessness I could be arrested for "Outraging Public Decency". Something that would never happen if a man was bare-chested. We know this because men often are.

    Learn the law before you try to lecture me about it.

    If women being topless was no big deal we wouldn't have stories about how breastfeeding women have been harassed simply for giving their children lunch.
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    The FTN campaign serves to highlight a double-standard held by society, the double-standard being that some people can go around topless whereas others can't.

    As for the bra-twanging thing, I wouldn't say it's sexual assault but it's definitely an idiotic thing to do, much like giving a randomer a wedgie; if a stranger gave me a wedgie, I'd deck them. If a stranger twanged my girlfriends' bra-strap, she'd deck them. You get what you give.

    It's not really a paradox considering they are two separate issues. You've also got to take into account that a majority of law is passed by men who don't wear bras (Titillating Tuesdays notwithstanding) so they're quite removed from the situation and have therefore taken it upon themselves to speak upon womens' behalf (it's what they're elected to do, which is fine, but you've got to bear in mind the certain amount of bias that comes with one group speaking for another group who might not feel the same way).

    However, I will concede that if you think that bra-twanging is sexual assault and you're an adherent on the FTN campaign then yes, there's somewhat of a paradox there.
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    (Original post by porn induced coma)
    Le sigh.*

    No, there is no specific law. But if some ridiculous person decide to take offence at my toplessness I could be arrested for "Outraging Public Decency". Something that would never happen if a man was bare-chested. We know this because men often are.

    Learn the law before you try to lecture me about it.

    If women being topless was no big deal we wouldn't have stories about how breastfeeding women have been harassed simply for giving their children lunch.
    Which section of which act is 'outraging public decency' an offence under? Walking down the street topless could potentially be indecent exposure but there would be a burden on the complainant to prove that it was with the intent to 'alarm or distress'. That's under s.66 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003, is my knowledge now sufficient for you?

    So because a small number of people are offended by a woman breastfeeding that means we have a national problem with breasts? Feminists seem to have a real issue with latching on to what a small number of people do and claiming it applies generally throughout the country.


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    (Original post by IYGB)
    Are you sure?
    It's more than assault. In the U.S. it could be prosecuted as battery.
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    (Original post by oldercon1953)
    It's more than assault. In the U.S. it could be prosecuted as battery.
    It's also battery in the UK


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    (Original post by Drunk Punx)
    The FTN campaign serves to highlight a double-standard held by society, the double-standard being that some people can go around topless whereas others can't..
    That is how I see it. So for me where it is acceptable for a man to be topless, so it should be for a woman. More times where men should cover up, effectively. A beach, a swim, or a sauna it should be acceptable (well in a sauna no-one should wear anything as is the case in Germany, except maybe a towel wrapped around).
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    (Original post by ForgettingWhatsername)
    Twanging someone's bra strap and telling women to cover up their nipples (when men don't have to) are, in my view, two actions resulting from the same (sexist) attitude: the idea that women's bodies in the public space are somehow always someone else's property, waiting to be regulated, commented on, or touched. It's about claiming ownership of your own body. No, I don't think female nipples should be seen as something inherently sexual. At the same time, I would feel humiliated if a random person twanged my bra strap, because they would be unwantedly encroaching on my personal space, thereby implicitly asserting that decisions about my own body are not mine to make. Twanging a woman's bra strap, and telling her to cover up, are both ways of putting her in her place.

    Hence, I don't think there's a paradox at all.
    That's a bit of a melodramatic overinterpretation, don't you think? What do you do if someone playfully pats you on the shoulder or on the head? Hopefully not launch into a tirade about how they are violating your body and treating you as their physical property; something to be dominated and commanded as part of a male power fantasy and innate sense of entitlement, violating your autonomy and personhood as though you were a dog being petted by its owner (breathes in...). See how it sounds? You've turned something mostly benign into some pretty dark slam poetry.
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    I didn't know that some people twanged bras.
 
 
 
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