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    (Original post by skeptical_john)
    There is a high probability Corbyn will not be elected but who knows maybe another 2008 banking crises could help him. But if he was there is a great many changes he could make, the lords for example are not supposed to vote against manifesto pledges and the same with financial bills.

    In the US Trump could get the judicial branch on his side with his appointees and of course he would have control of the executive branch. More than enough to make huge changes. Moreover he would control party machinery so has a big say in who gets funded for running so over time the republicans become more like Trump
    Perhaps. I still think the amount of power our leaders have is much smaller than we imagine. Just look at Cameron's fall from grace. One day he is the leader. Next day he has given 3 months notice. Two weeks later he is yesterday's news. Thatcher fell in a similar way. Despite Obama's sweeping victory in the US he has not been able to achieve that much because the houses were against him.
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    strange that once Brexit went t**s up for the desperate assassins it totally left the news entirely with nothing about it being mentioned whatsoever
    lincoln was killed for freeing the slaves as it angered the rich and powerful; plantation owning industrialists
    JFK was killed as he tried to release files from area 51 and disband the secret service(they are accused of killing him, 'accidentally' not to mention his affairs with Marylin Monroe and others
    and trump has annoyed quick a few billionaires and the DNC so it wouldn't be surprising if it does happen

    nb- that cat is just so p***ed
    (Original post by skeptical_john)
    Ah yes I see your thinking

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    I can only laugh.
    You were serious too.
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    The yanks have a long and noble history of assasinating their politicions.. embrace it.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    I think he meant it as a joke... but one thing you should never do in politics is joke, because the media is looking for soundbites, and they don't care if the context is that of a joke or not.

    Donald Trump is an idiot if he doesn't know this already.
    This has nothing to do with the media taking it "out of context". The implication was very clear, but far more important; in the febrile, polarised political atmosphere in the US, where we have seen many mass shootings, where a number of its presidents have been murdered, it is beyond irresponsible to make a comment that hints at violence.

    It undermines the basic underpinning of our democracy; differences are settled at the ballot box, not with bullets. Of course no sane Trump supporter (if any exist) will take him at his word and act on it. But we know that rhetoric has consequences and there are mentally unbalanced people who might well act on it.

    One example is, we know that there is a direct correlation between homophobic rhetoric and the level of violence against gay people. If you demonise, if you are vitriolic, there is always a minority who have the capacity to go beyond words and act on it.

    In that context, for Trump to have made those comments is beyond irresponsible; it was deeply immoral, stupid and arrogant. Thankfully all the numbers we have suggest he will go down to a historic defeat, maybe even on the level of the 1964 landslide in which Lyndon Johnson wiped out Barry Goldwater (who also had a reputation for extremism and offensive commentary)
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Perhaps. I still think the amount of power our leaders have is much smaller than we imagine. Just look at Cameron's fall from grace. One day he is the leader. Next day he has given 3 months notice. Two weeks later he is yesterday's news. Thatcher fell in a similar way. Despite Obama's sweeping victory in the US he has not been able to achieve that much because the houses were against him.
    He does have a few substantive domestic achievements. I do think he has to be credited for his handling of the crash of 2008/09; people forget but at the time it was widely feared we were facing something on the order of the 1929 crash and Great Depression.

    President Obama put together a stimulus package that pulled the economy out of its nosedive, saved the US auto industry and put a ceiling on unemployment at around 8%. His other achievement was the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare); while it was far from perfect, for the first time Americans who had pre-existing medical conditions were guaranteed the right to purchase health insurance. It significantly expanded coverage under Medicaid for people on low incomes.

    He ensured the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell policy that required gay people in the military to keep their orientation secret. He ensured the end of the Defense of Marriage Act that mandated federal government opposition and obstruction to any state-based marriage equality provisions. The Obama justice department also played a crucial role in ensuring the Supreme Court ruling in Obergehfell v Hodges that made same-sex marriage a right for all Americans.

    He should also be credited with giving America some of its confidence back after the disastrous Bush years. America in 2016 is far more confident in itself, outward-looking, tolerant and liberal.

    However, President Obama's major failure was in the foreign policy arena and these failures massively overshadow his domestic achievements. He was so keen to pull all the forces out of Iraq that he ignored advice from the generals to allow a core of around 10,000 troops to stay in country to continue targeting Al-Qaeda in Iraq and supporting the Iraqi military. He was extremely slow in responding to the rise of ISIS and only authorised intervention when ISIS was sweeping unopposed through Iraq and Syria and were at the gates of Baghdad and Erbil.

    The utter tragedy of the Syrian Civil War can also be considered a major failure. In early 2012, President Obama was urgently warned by the Department of Defense, the State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency that Al-Qaeda and other extremists were starting to gain a foothold in Syria. Leon Panetta (Secretary of Defense), David Petraeus (Director of the CIA) and Hillary Clinton (Secretary of State) called a meeting and strongly urged the president to provide substantial military aid to the secular, nationalist forces to block the rising jihadist presence in Syria. They made the point that this conflict could descend into a complete quagmire, go on for years and create a lawless failed state situation where Al-Qaeda affiliates could thrive and come back from the crushing defeat they suffered at the hands of the Americans in Iraq between 2007 and 2009. They said, "Let's go in, support these nationalist secular forces and get it over with as quickly as possible". President Obama, who has a reflexive dislike for any American intervention, turned them down.

    Through 2012, 2013 and early 2014 he continued ignoring the warning signs as ISIS and Al-Nusra grew. He also made a huge mistake when he set a clear red line that if Assad used chemical weapons, that would precipitate a US intervention. When that happened, he balked. And it was after that moment in 2013 that the Islamists really took off; they said to the Syrians, "Look, the West doesn't care about you. They allow Assad to get away with gassing his own people".

    It's also on President Obama's watch that Russia has gone wild, invading Ukraine, intervening in Syria, annexing the Crimea. Now they have so little fear of the United States that they can brazenly hack the DNC emails in an attempt to influence an American election, without any seeming anxiety about a major retaliation.

    The world is in a lot worse shape than when President Obama took office; that is his cross to bear.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    The world is in a lot worse shape than when President Obama took office; that is his cross to bear.
    Agreed. Don't get me wrong. I am a total Obama fan. But he didn't close down Guantanamo Bay. I am also not convinced he solved America's economic problems. On his watch the debt cliff was averted twice by simply allowing more borrowing. I would put the US' recovery down to the fact that the world economy simply recovered after the correction. Indeed he did get his health reforms through but he was very much hampered by a stubborn Republican Congress that down voted his legislation on principal.

    This is why a Trump presidency will not be able to make the US great again. They just will not have the political support to instigate the more radical ideas.
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    I think it's more likely he meant supporters of the second amendment should vote against her. This is Donald Trump, but even he wouldn't seriously call for violence against another presidential candidate.

    I know it's Trendy to hate on Trump and jump on every little thing he says, but use your heads, please.
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    I swear, democrats can't take the banter can they?
 
 
 
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