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    Trump easily. Clinton's track record on lying means you cannot take anything she says seriously, she's the epitome of US corruption, basing US policy on what big corporations want in return for millions of pounds for 'talks', she's seriously compromised in terms of healthcare due to her brain damage and her foreign policy record is the current mess of the middle east, brought about by shortsightedness, kneejerk politics and virtue signalling, none of which are qualities we need in a president.
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    Trump is currently annihilating Clinton on foreign policy and even gay rights. Go and watch the foreign policy speech he just did.
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    A man died and went to heaven. As he stood in front of St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him. He asked, "What are all those clocks?" St. Peter answered, "Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone on Earth has a Lie-Clock. Every time you lie the hands on your clock will move." "Oh," said the man, "whose clock is that?" "That's Mother Teresa's. The hands have never moved, indicating that she never told a lie."
    "Incredible," said the man. "Where's Hillary Clinton's clock?" asked the man. "Hillary's clock is in God's office. He's using it as a ceiling fan."
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    I would go Trump. Any day everyday.
    Not only is HIllary MUCH worse, but he is in general a more charismatic person in my opinion.
    The media and a lot of people portray him as the worst guy ever, and sometimes even "Hitler". But honestly, he wasn't the one that voted for the Iraq which killed thousands of innocents (Hillary), he wasn't the one that dismissed and fought women when they came out against BIll Clinton (HIllary), he wasn't the one that pushed for the intervention in Libya which to this day put the country in ruins (Hillary), he wasn't the one that pushed for arming "moderate rebels" in Syria who are in reality Islamic terrorists aka ISIS (Hillary). We can go on and on, anyone that says Hillary is better is clueless and ignorant. Oh lets not forget that she takes millions from Saudi donors to push for their interest.
    Building a wall to keep illegal Mexicans out isn't racist either, Mexico does the same thing on their southern boarder. How is it racist to have a boarder?.
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    I would go Trump. Any day everyday.Not only is HIllary MUCH worse, but he is in general a more charismatic person in my opinion.The media and a lot of people portray him as the worst guy ever, and sometimes even "Hitler". But honestly, he wasn't the one that voted for the Iraq which killed thousands of innocents (Hillary), he wasn't the one that dismissed and fought women when they came out against BIll Clinton (HIllary), he wasn't the one that pushed for the intervention in Libya which to this day put the country in ruins (Hillary), he wasn't the one that pushed for arming "moderate rebels" in Syria who are in reality Islamic terrorists aka ISIS (Hillary). We can go on and on, anyone that says Hillary is better is clueless and ignorant. Oh lets not forget that she takes millions from Saudi donors to push for their interest.Building a wall to keep illegal Mexicans out isn't racist either, Mexico does the same thing on their southern boarder. How is it racist to have a boarder?.
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    I would go Trump. Any day everyday.Not only is HIllary MUCH worse, but he is in general a more charismatic person in my opinion.The media and a lot of people portray him as the worst guy ever, and sometimes even "Hitler". But honestly, he wasn't the one that voted for the Iraq which killed thousands of innocents (Hillary), he wasn't the one that dismissed and fought women when they came out against BIll Clinton (HIllary), he wasn't the one that pushed for the intervention in Libya which to this day put the country in ruins (Hillary), he wasn't the one that pushed for arming "moderate rebels" in Syria who are in reality Islamic terrorists aka ISIS (Hillary). We can go on and on, anyone that says Hillary is better is clueless and ignorant. Oh lets not forget that she takes millions from Saudi donors to push for their interest.Building a wall to keep illegal Mexicans out isn't racist either, Mexico does the same thing on their southern boarder. How is it racist to have a boarder?.
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    I would go Trump. Any day everyday.Not only is HIllary MUCH worse, but he is in general a more charismatic person in my opinion.The media and a lot of people portray him as the worst guy ever, and sometimes even "Hitler". But honestly, he wasn't the one that voted for the Iraq which killed thousands of innocents (Hillary), he wasn't the one that dismissed and fought women when they came out against BIll Clinton (HIllary), he wasn't the one that pushed for the intervention in Libya which to this day put the country in ruins (Hillary), he wasn't the one that pushed for arming "moderate rebels" in Syria who are in reality Islamic terrorists aka ISIS (Hillary). We can go on and on, anyone that says Hillary is better is clueless and ignorant. Oh lets not forget that she takes millions from Saudi donors to push for their interest.Building a wall to keep illegal Mexicans out isn't racist either, Mexico does the same thing on their southern boarder. How is it racist to have a boarder?.
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    I would go Trump. Any day everyday.Not only is HIllary MUCH worse, but he is in general a more charismatic person in my opinion.The media and a lot of people portray him as the worst guy ever. But honestly, he wasn't the one that voted for the Iraq which killed thousands of innocents (Hillary), he wasn't the one that dismissed and fought women when they came out against BIll Clinton (HIllary), he wasn't the one that pushed for the intervention in Libya which to this day put the country in ruins (Hillary), he wasn't the one that pushed for arming "moderate rebels" in Syria who are in reality Islamic terrorists aka ISIS (Hillary). We can go on and on, anyone that says Hillary is better is clueless and ignorant. Oh lets not forget that she takes millions from Saudi donors to push for their interest.Building a wall to keep illegal Mexicans out isn't racist either, Mexico does the same thing on their southern boarder. How is it racist to have a boarder?.
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    Easily Trump. I like his attitude toward Russia. I would think a relaxing of attitudes towards Russia would be welcome by Europe. He has a healthy despising of anything socialistic yet he speaks of social programs with a sense of urgency. He has led a very public life the last 20yrs. or so. If there was anything which would disqualify him from being Pres. it would be known.

    Hillary hasn't had an original thought in her life. She was born into money and acts like it.
    Trump was born into money but doesn't act like it. That alone would get him my vote.












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    (Original post by TercioOfParma)
    Trump is currently annihilating Clinton on foreign policy
    Is this the same Trump who didn't know what the Nuclear Triad was, or had no clue that Russia was already in Crimea, or is this another person called Trump in some other parallel universe.
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    also, trump is in favour of LGBT rights, in case anybody here is going to assume he's a chauvinist or something
    Then why is he giving speeches to the 'Family Research Council', a staunchly anti-gay group that is only slightly more tolerant of gays than those ultra-conservatives in the middle east. Why is their leader re-affirming that they will absolutely vote for Trump?

    You can't have it both ways. You can't say you are going to protect LGBT rights and then go and give speeches to a group who borderline (and sometimes literally) advocates for their death.

    Would anyone take a speaker who said that they were going to protect Jews, and then give speeches to a Neo-Nazi group seriously?
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    (Original post by Fango_Jett)
    Then why is he giving speeches to the 'Family Research Council', a staunchly anti-gay group that is only slightly more tolerant of gays than those ultra-conservatives in the middle east. Why is their leader re-affirming that they will absolutely vote for Trump?

    You can't have it both ways. You can't say you are going to protect LGBT rights and then go and give speeches to a group who borderline (and sometimes literally) advocates for their death.

    Would anyone take a speaker who said that they were going to protect Jews, and then give speeches to a Neo-Nazi group seriously?
    Well, you can go back quite a few years and see Trump somewhat indifferent to gay marriage/saying the states should decide (which I believe is his official stance now?). Whereas Hillary Clinton has unashamedly followed the polls and not stuck to her guns at all. How strange that when gay marriage was supported by a minority, marriage was a sacred bond between a man and a woman, and when it's supported by a majority, marriage is for everyone! But yes, if Trump ever got in office I wouldn't expect him to honour his own beliefs, even if they have been less inconsistent (and I'm not sure I would advocate letting states decide anyway), while Clinton has no reason to go against the majority feeling on gay marriage (certainly it wouldn't help her campaign in 2020). So I suppose their actual beliefs aren't particularly relevant.
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    (Original post by oldercon1953)
    Trump was born into money but doesn't act like it. That alone would get him my vote.


    You mean the man who has a golden tower with his name emblazoned on it in huge letters, repeatedly bragged as to how rich he was, and displayed his wealth on twitter constantly was just being humble? My god, someone should nominate Rick Ross for philanthropist of the year at this rate.

    Please, don't insult our intelligence by trying to present him as some kind of humble ascetic. He's an awful businessman who relied on daddy's money and connections, and would have had more success putting his inheritance in an S&P index fund.
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    Hillary just because she's the best of a worst bunch. Wish we could have Obama for another term
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    (Original post by Fango_Jett)
    Is this the same Trump who didn't know what the Nuclear Triad was, or had no clue that Russia was already in Crimea, or is this another person called Trump in some other parallel universe.
    Yes, but this is the same trump who doesn't shy away from discussing the problems with isis.
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    Hillary.
    Trump seems the kind of person that would start dropping bombs on countries just because he woke up on the wrong side of bed. I would not want him to have that much power.
    He has said some completely stupid things during his campaign and he also hates women and is undeniably racist.
    The worst thing about him though might be some of his supporters.

    Having said that I think that Hillary is also very *****y and that americans are stupid fir not voting for Sanders.
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    (Original post by TercioOfParma)
    Yes, but this is the same trump who doesn't shy away from discussing the problems with isis.
    I wouldn't go far as to stretch the definition of discuss to include uneducated borderline rants. Trump is more ignorant of the middle east than McCain and Graham were in 2003.
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    (Original post by Fango_Jett)
    I wouldn't go far as to stretch the definition of discuss to include uneducated borderline rants. Trump is more ignorant of the middle east than McCain and Graham were in 2003.
    At least he doesn't deliberately destabilise the middle east.
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    I'm not quite sure. Leaning towards Hillary
 
 
 
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