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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    You do know what a question is don't you and how they work?
    Answer the question
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    (Original post by Brahmin of Booty)
    That's my point, if someone with sensitive skin covers up the French don't care. If a Muslim woman covers up it's literally terrorism, it's pathetic.
    Nice strawman
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    (Original post by Brahmin of Booty)
    That's my point, if someone with sensitive skin covers up the French don't care. If a Muslim woman covers up it's literally terrorism, it's pathetic.
    Hysterical responses do not help
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    (Original post by 1010marina)
    I disagree... You can choose to wear a wet suit or rash vest or a bikini or a swimsuit, but the burkini is not a choice in the same way. One day you might wear a bikini and the next a full body wet suit. If you are restricted to just a burkini then it is not really a choice. I find it tragically sad that some women cannot even go to a beach or participate in sport without feeling that they must dress a certain way...

    The only misogyny here is a religion that treats women as a lower class than men, than condones their abuse and subservience to their husbands. Then the people who have read this book feel they have no choice but wear a burkini or face the persecution of their god try to defend it as an example of freedom...

    :/

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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Then they can choose to not wear it and go to the beach or choose to wear it and not go

    It is as you say their choice
    Seriously? You honestly have no problem with banning people from being in certain areas based on their clothing? That's plain ridiculous. It's not like there's a health and safety issue where the clothing is going to impair their (or other's) ability to swim. It's just an item of clothing.
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    (Original post by Ryanzmw)
    Nice strawman
    It's not a straw man, it's completely on point because it's the French who are making it about religion.

    I could put on a wetsuit, a t-shirt and a hat and it's totally legal, but if a Muslim does it, she will be arrested or fined, it's actually ridiculous.
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    In principal i find the notion of the state telling people what they should wear to be abhorrent however i actually have a lot of sympathy for the French since i believe that Islam should be restricted to the home. On balance, i probably support it.
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    (Original post by Brahmin of Booty)
    It's not a straw man, it's completely on point because it's the French who are making it about religion.

    I could put on a wetsuit, a t-shirt and a hat and it's totally legal, but if a Muslim does it, she will be arrested or fined, it's actually ridiculous.
    A wetsuit, t-shirt and hat doesn't convey your religious belief to others and perhaps pressure others into adopting similar clothing which perhaps they may not want to wear.
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    (Original post by stripystockings)
    Seriously? You honestly have no problem with banning people from being in certain areas based on their clothing? That's plain ridiculous. It's not like there's a health and safety issue where the clothing is going to impair their (or other's) ability to swim. It's just an item of clothing.
    Nope I don't

    I think France and her people have the right to decide what laws they have

    I am not so bigoted to think a person who has 'faith' should somehow be exempt and given Frances secular nature so ignorant of them and their culture to demand they have to change for a few newcomers

    And no it's not just a swimming costume (hence the furore when trying to prevent a few people wearing them on one beach in France where a Muslim killed 50 odd people)
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    I don't support the ban, and maybe the article has a point, but a situation where feminists are asked to lament this sort of thing over the far more destructive and widespread misogyny that Islamic countries perpetuate seems to be a tad Kafkaesque
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    (Original post by Ryanzmw)
    A wetsuit, t-shirt and hat doesn't convey your religious belief to others and perhaps pressure others into adopting similar clothing which perhaps they may not want to wear.
    How can you be sure, I'm a White man so I could probably get away with it, but if a brown woman puts on her wet suit with the gendarmerie take her away?
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Nope I don't

    I think France and her people have the right to decide what laws they have

    I am not so bigoted to think a person who has 'faith' should somehow be exempt and given Frances secular nature so ignorant of them and their culture to demand they have to change for a few newcomers

    And no it's not just a swimming costume (hence the furore when trying to prevent a few people wearing them on one beach in France where a Muslim killed 50 odd people)
    If France were majority Muslim and they voted to make Burqa's compulsory for everyone of all faiths, I presume you would also support that, because it is democracy right.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    In principal i find the notion of the state telling people what they should wear to be abhorrent however i actually have a lot of sympathy for the French since i believe that Islam should be restricted to the home. On balance, i probably support it.
    this

    It's a shame people who are arguing about this are so ignorant about France and it's history and the culture that has resulted.

    But as we know it's not about the principle it's about a few Muslims not being allowed to do as they like regardless
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    (Original post by Brahmin of Booty)
    If France were majority Muslim and they voted to make Burqa's compulsory for everyone of all faiths, I presume you would also support that, because it is democracy right.
    Would you?
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    (Original post by 13 1 20 8 42)
    I don't support the ban, and maybe the article has a point, but a situation where feminists are asked to lament this sort of thing over the far more destructive and widespread misogyny that Islamic countries perpetuate seems to be a tad Kafkaesque
    This is how I feel, in general I support freedom for women and I'm firmly on the side of the West, but I find these petty attacks on Muslims to be in very poor taste, undoubtedly alienating and completely hypocritical.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Nothing

    Well done for making a contribution to the thread
    What harm is it causing exactly if these women choose to wear this? I don't understand your argument
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Would you?
    No, not at all, because I respect the right of the individual.


    So would you?
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Nothing

    Well done for making a contribution to the thread
    Like you did a better job.
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    (Original post by 13 1 20 8 42)
    I don't support the ban, and maybe the article has a point, but a situation where feminists are asked to lament this sort of thing over the far more destructive and widespread misogyny that Islamic countries perpetuate seems to be a tad Kafkaesque
    Quite.

    My mother is 4th Generation feminist she find all Islamic clothing restriction abhorrent

    I'd post this article to her but they just make her mad!
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    (Original post by MeMoiLove)
    Like you did a better job.
    I am arguing my point

    Rather than just attacking those who disagree with me

    A lesson for you perhaps
 
 
 
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