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    (Original post by MeYou2Night)
    The root cause is still, too many people
    Solid argument.
    Is the root cause of high murder rates too many people as well?
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    (Original post by Nowen)
    Solid argument.
    Is the root cause of high murder rates too many people as well?
    Well no. The root cause is there is no discipline in this country, and the fact we give any rights to criminals. Once they are convicted, they shouldn't have any.

    There is only a crisis as there isn't enough houses right? Who for? Oh yes, our over populated country.

    Other parts and counties of he world are a lot bigger than us but have a vastly smaller population.
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    (Original post by MeYou2Night)
    Well no. The root cause is there is no discipline in this country, and the fact we give any rights to criminals. Once they are convicted, they shouldn't have any.

    There is only a crisis as there isn't enough houses right? Who for? Oh yes, our over populated country.

    Other parts and counties of he world are a lot bigger than us but have a vastly smaller population.
    Of course demand for houses is a factor but isn't the root cause of the crisis. Plain and simple we aren't building enough houses.
    Population growth happens EVERYWHERE yet many countries don't seem to be facing the problems we do.

    We were building over 350,000 houses a year in the seventies when there was a smaller population, yet we only manage to build around half of that now.
    If the root cause was high demand as you say due to over population wouldn't we expect to see house production be above levels in the seventies?
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    (Original post by Nowen)
    Of course demand for houses is a factor but isn't the root cause of the crisis. Plain and simple we aren't building enough houses.
    Population growth happens EVERYWHERE yet many countries don't seem to be facing the problems we do.

    We were building over 350,000 houses a year in the seventies when there was a smaller population, yet we only manage to build around half of that now.
    If the root cause was high demand as you say due to over population wouldn't we expect to see house production be above levels in the seventies?
    The people who build the houses don't want to build enough houses to satisfy demand - they want to build at the rate which maximises their income. For them the optimal rate to build houses is one where they can keep building, but there is a constant shortage keeping the prices high. We will never have enough houses while the house builders control the supply.
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    (Original post by Bananapeeler)
    The people who build the houses don't want to build enough houses to satisfy demand - they want to build at the rate which maximises their income. For them the optimal rate to build houses is one where they can keep building, but there is a constant shortage keeping the prices high. We will never have enough houses while the house builders control the supply.
    Exactly, it isn't just a demand side issue, it's mainly supply.
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    (Original post by frankielogue)
    christ don’t you hate it when rightists call actual socialist “liberals” :/
    "Liberal left" wtf is the liberal left? Even so I'm what I like to call a 'proper leftist'.

    (Original post by MeYou2Night)
    Your lot are even worse. I wouldn't trust a socialist to run anything.
    Tell us more about how you love the NHS...
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    Tell us more about how you love the NHS...
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    Don't use it. I have private medical insurance.
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    (Original post by MeYou2Night)
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    Don't use it. I have private medical insurance.
    From what?
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    From what?
    A private medical provider. All my check ups and any medical attention I need are done at a private hospital. Not an NHS one.
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    (Original post by paul514)
    Incorrect the amount of countryside built on in the uk is something like 2 or 3 % for all the houses in the U.K. Currently


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    Wrong, it's actually around 10% urban.

    The 2% thing is a very misleading figure that basically only looks at what is "built on" - it ignores things like parks, open areas, allotments, urban green space, etc. All stuff which is still part of the urban area (and therefore part of housing developments).
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    (Original post by MeYou2Night)
    Your lot are even worse. I wouldn't trust a socialist to run anything.
    nor would i a capitalist
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    (Original post by frankielogue)
    nor would i a capitalist
    Apart from its highly likely you're using a computer that was designed and built by a capitalist company. Typical lefties, all talk - no action.

    You're all basically: "I hate capitialism, excuse me while I go and buy a Macbook"
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    (Original post by MeYou2Night)
    Apart from its highly likely you're using a computer that was designed and built by a capitalist company. Typical lefties, all talk - no action.

    You're all basically: "I hate capitialism, excuse me while I go and buy a Macbook"
    For a start, it was the manual labourers, who may I say are paid very little, who produced this, not a ****ing ideology you numpty. If I also went and acted according to Marxism then I couldn’t live because we’re in a Capitalist society. If the world suddenly went on the path to Socialism I can assure you that the factories would keep humming.
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    there must be a stop to people having more than two kids in uk
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    (Original post by frankielogue)
    For a start, it was the manual labourers, who may I say are paid very little, who produced this, not a ****ing ideology you numpty. If I also went and acted according to Marxism then I couldn’t live because we’re in a Capitalist society. If the world suddenly went on the path to Socialism I can assure you that the factories would keep humming.
    Yeah but capitialism let the idea and company flourish, giving them their job.

    You could live, you just couldn't have "nice things", which obviously you deem more important than what you believe in. Typical Champagne socialist aren't you?
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    (Original post by MeYou2Night)
    It's simple really. A housing crisis doesn't just happen, it is the result of one thing and one thing only. Too many people! We don't need to build more houses in the 100,000s evert year which is rediculous as eventually they're will be zero countryside left. We just need to reduce our population.
    how do you plan on reducing the population?
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    (Original post by MeYou2Night)
    Obviously you're not from the countryside. That's the typical attitude of the metropolitan bubble.
    Actually my Grand parents were farmers and I used to spend around 3 months a year there.

    It's simply facts


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    (Original post by paul514)
    Actually my Grand parents were farmers and I used to spend around 3 months a year there.

    It's simply facts


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    So no you aren't is he simple answer.

    And no its not. The left wing of this country won't be happy until all greenery is built on and we are squashed in shoulder to shoulder like sardines. Then they'll still say we need more people.
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    (Original post by RF_PineMarten)
    Wrong, it's actually around 10% urban.

    The 2% thing is a very misleading figure that basically only looks at what is "built on" - it ignores things like parks, open areas, allotments, urban green space, etc. All stuff which is still part of the urban area (and therefore part of housing developments).
    No it's not wrong that figure includes all the countries roads, industrial space, houses, gardens, parks etc.

    2 or 3 percent is simply the footprint of houses.

    The m6 is going to be there regardless of houses and gardens/parks are more environmentally friendly than a barren field


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    (Original post by MeYou2Night)
    So no you aren't is he simple answer.

    And no its not. The left wing of this country won't be happy until all greenery is built on and we are squashed in shoulder to shoulder like sardines. Then they'll still say we need more people.
    Ah right didn't realise spending a quarter of the year doesn't give me an appreciation for the ideas and values of people that live in the countryside.....

    Also for that you mention to happen the population would need to be something like 600 million which is more than the entire population of the eu lol.


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