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    Idiot.How can you have a reasonable coversation with people who put pilots in cages and set them on fire.This is why pacifism is such an immoral position.If you refuse to harm people who do evil things and you have the power to stop them,then you're complicit in their crimes.A city full of pacifists could be defeated by one man with a knife.
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    (Original post by Robby2312)
    Idiot.How can you have a reasonable coversation with people who put pilots in cages and set them on fire.This is why pacifism is such an immoral position.If you refuse to harm people who do evil things and you have the power to stop them,then you're complicit in their crimes.A city full of pacifists could be defeated by one man with a knife.
    Wouldn't strictly speaking be full of pacifists as there would be at least one non pacifist. Also doubt that there are many that would take pacifism to this extreme. It has more to do with not seeing violence as a solution to violence.
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    It was ill judged. It looks like regardless of the vote I will be terminating my 7 year membership of the party and voting for somebody else.
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    (Original post by Robby2312)
    Idiot.How can you have a reasonable coversation with people who put pilots in cages and set them on fire.This is why pacifism is such an immoral position.If you refuse to harm people who do evil things and you have the power to stop them,then you're complicit in their crimes.A city full of pacifists could be defeated by one man with a knife.
    I'm not sure this is even about pacifism - this is about delusion.
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    (Original post by Aliccam)
    When asked at the same debate, Corbyn specifically said he wouldn't. Now you are even trying to smear Corbyn with what Smith says.

    Who is our first greatest enemy?
    No need to smear him.

    Russia.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    I imagine there were some who levelled that sort of insult at Tony Blair when he sent Mo Mowlam to Northern Ireland to broker a peace deal.

    As long as the majority of people call peace makers idiots, there will be no peace.
    Except for all the numerous peaceful periods we've had that resulted from smashing the hell out of the enemy and forcing an unconditional surrender? How peace can be achieved depends on the situation. Sometimes military force is a necessity. I don't know where this leftist fantasy about military action never working and it always being better to enter into negotiations has come from.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    No need to smear him.
    Then why do it?

    Russia.
    They are not our enemy. They are not at war with us. They are fellow members of the UN.
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    [QUOTE=Aliccam;67084526]
    (Original post by Rakas21)
    No need to smear him.[?QUOTE] Then why do it?

    They are not our enemy. They are not at war with us. They are fellow members of the UN.
    Not blowing each other to bits does not mean they are not our enemy.

    The UN is a toothless, incompetent organisation. Nothing more than a forum for discussion.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Corbyn is arguing for the status quo then, we almost certainly have back channels now.

    I think the key thing that will stop your idea working is that this war is not going to end, there are numerous terrorist groups affiliated to ISIS and the west lacks the resolve to cull them.
    If the war is that interminable, then it doesn't really matter who we talk to or negotiate with, as it's all pointless anyway.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    If the war is that interminable, then it doesn't really matter who we talk to or negotiate with, as it's all pointless anyway.
    We'd still be tarnishing our own principles, namely of opposing terrorists. It's also not in our self interest to negotiate with ISIS given that they desire global caliphate.
 
 
 
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