Why abortion should be illegal

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    (Original post by NUSTweb)
    It's clear murder and killing of a human....
    and as God said in Quran...killing one innocent is like killing whole humanity...
    and also Allah told that Allah gives provisions so one should not kill children with fear of hunger because Allah makes way out......
    Arabs used to bury little girls alive because they considered them useless and a burden and God forbade them to do...and the Prophet (PBUH) called them a mercy and gave glad tidings to the parents who take care and teach 2 daughters
    Newsflash? This is the UK and the law of the land in this country is what we live by and not the Quran.
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    (Original post by ihatePE)
    what people do with their body is none of my concern tbh, the fetus is still part of their body. Raped or not, i think abortion is something the women would have spent tiring hours deciding upon, so no it's not an easy decision and they shouldn't have to face what other self righteous people think about it either
    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    I don't agree with abortion, but making it illegal would be bad. It's her body. :dontknow:
    (Original post by SirKyrgystan)
    It seriously disturbs me that we are still having this discussion in the 21st century. Where do we draw the line if we start forcing women into parenthood because it offends our sensibilities? How about women start forcing absentee fathers into marriage & living with the child until 18? because y'know, it's immoral and un-christian to abandon a family like that without trying to make it work, men can make a stupid selfish decision and ruin the future of that poor child, think of that child's potential to cure cancer, all gone to waste because the dad wasn't around. (and yes I am reversing a common argument anti-abortionists hold)
    So you would kill a fesus baby who can feel it, when it was their fault/mistake in the first place?

    (Original post by BasicMistake)
    Apparently abortion is socialism now.
    Go and look at conservative parties, see if they accept it... example: USA Republicans.
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    So you would kill a fesus baby who can feel it, when it was their fault/mistake in the first place?
    What on earth is a "fesus baby"? s and t aren't even that close together :dontknow:
    Yes, I would kill a fetus, no I would not kill a baby. There is a difference and it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise. And placing the blame on Women and using it to negate their choice and in the process bypass a fundamental human right? How low a form of argument is that? I've made plenty of mistakes in my life, doesn't mean I lose the choice to make em' right. You disagree? Or if I accidentally cut my arm off with a circular saw (I am literally that clumsy) I don't get to stop the bleeding and get my arm reattached by a doctor? because, y'know, it was 'my fault'..
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    So you would kill a fesus baby who can feel it, when it was their fault/mistake in the first place?



    Go and look at conservative parties, see if they accept it... example: USA Republicans.
    No matter how you word it, no matter how horrible you make it out to be, i will always support pro-choice. You don't know what circumstances the woman is in, poverty, rape, health reasons for her and the baby etc
    and it's either a fetus or a baby, can't be both.
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    Go and look at conservative parties, see if they accept it... example: USA Republicans.
    I don't think you know what socialism is.
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    (Original post by SirKyrgystan)
    What on earth is a "fesus baby"? s and t aren't even that close together :dontknow:
    Yes, I would kill a fetus, no I would not kill a baby. There is a difference and it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise. And placing the blame on Women and using it to negate their choice and in the process bypass a fundamental human right? How low a form of argument is that? I've made plenty of mistakes in my life, doesn't mean I lose the choice to make em' right. You disagree? Or if I accidentally cut my arm off with a circular saw (I am literally that clumsy) I don't get to stop the bleeding and get my arm reattached by a doctor? because, y'know, it was 'my fault'..
    After 6 weeks they have feelings, did you not watch that video where the baby aggressively fighted to its death? 5 weeks or earlier is fine as it doesn't feel anything or have a HEART. When sucked out the doctor looked and noticed a tiny heart/leg at end when it tried to aggressively fight for its life... how is this justified? What if this was you?
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    (Original post by ihatePE)
    No matter how you word it, no matter how horrible you make it out to be, i will always support pro-choice. You don't know what circumstances the woman is in, poverty, rape, health reasons for her and the baby etc
    and it's either a fetus or a baby, can't be both.
    Thats your choice. I would (if was a girl) make sure they'll have a life.
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    Thats your choice. I would (if was a girl) make sure they'll have a life.
    so you're a man and believe you know what's best for a woman who's having to carry the burden of pregnancy?
    and i dont see you involved in anything to help the children left in care homes...adoption, you know? words dont do anything tbh, you just want to sound pretentious. :hoppy:
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    After 6 weeks they have feelings, did you not watch that video where the baby aggressively fighted to its death? 5 weeks or earlier is fine as it doesn't feel anything or have a HEART. When sucked out the doctor looked and noticed a tiny heart/leg at end when it tried to aggressively fight for its life... how is this justified? What if this was you?
    Which feelings? fear, sadness, love? can a 6 week year old fetus be in it's emo phase? Using emotive language like 'aggressively fight for its life' doesn't make your argument any more or less valid. But in response, trees have more feelings and life processes than a fetus, how do you live yourself when you mow the grass? you monster :cry:. And so what if it is me? what if it's the next hitler? when we go into what ifs, we go into fantasy land where that aborted child could be the anti-christ. I beg of you, let us not go there.
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    (Original post by ihatePE)
    so you're a man and believe you know what's best for a woman who's having to carry the burden of pregnancy?
    and i dont see you involved in anything to help the children left in care homes...adoption, you know? words dont do anything tbh, you just want to sound pretentious. :hoppy:
    Actually I just showed a video that a political youtuber said.
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    (Original post by #ChaosKass)
    Abortion is completely immoral. Just think of the number of potential Einsteins, Churchills etc that have been murdered in the name of "right to choice".
    I suppose you are also against contraception? After all, so many potential Einsteins and Churchills were lost at the end of a condom
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    I suppose you are also against contraception? After all, so many potential Einsteins and Churchills were lost at the end of a condom
    Abstinence is the way to go. If you don't want a baby then why on Earth are you having sex?
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    So you would kill a fesus baby who can feel it, when it was their fault/mistake in the first place?
    Did you miss the bit where I said I don't agree with it?
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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    Did you miss the bit where I said I don't agree with it?
    Oh, must of mis-read sorry, I wouldn't allow it after like 5 weeks... if that counts.
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    Oh, must of mis-read sorry, I wouldn't allow it after like 5 weeks... if that counts.
    I won't claim to know the biology behind it (regardless what a video might say) but honestly I don't know how women live with themselves after. :/ I'm a Catholic and view abortions as wrong, but I acknowledge that it's not right for me to force my views on women, they're the ones who have to live with the guilt and answer to God after.
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    "her body" is such a silly thing to say. The child is not your body.
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    While I'm not in favour of banning abortion I think people need to stop with this 'woman's body, her choice' argument, it is complete nonsense


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    To be honest not I don't think it would be right to make it illegal and two there is not point.

    There is now point, as females who want to abort will find away. There have been reports, finding, evidence and stats in countries where abortion is illegal, they find a ****ing way. Some give birth and abandon the baby to starve or be eaten to death. Some go into depression afterwards and kill themselves or the baby and more...

    another reason why there is no point, adoption agencies are already full and struggling the way it's, so why cause more children to go through the system and suffer. They are more likely to suffer mental health issues, attachment issues and more. That isn't far on, the parent who had to give birth when they didn't want to and on the child who would be neglected (as they wouldn't have one to one time, as the staff will have to care for 50+ children with different needs, wants, help and more).

    For example, there is a case/report of someone who wanted to have an abortion and couldn't afford/it was illegal/it was too late for her to have an abortion and she decided to get a metal copper wire to take the baby out. The baby died from stab wounds and the mother was severely injured.

    Women have a right to use their body the way they want to, if they want to have sex a lot fine, if they want to wear what every fine. The same goes for men, as long as it's not offensive it doesn't really matter, it doesn't affect you. If they want to be fit or fat who fudging cares, it's not you!!!!!

    Abortion helps people as think about the people who can't have kids, as they are likely to die if they give birth. What about if the child has a defect and they are likely to die a few day/months after birth and during that they are going to suffer. What about if the person uses sooo much protection but the condoms breaks or the tablets stop working and they don't want their tubes tide. What about if they are likely to be kicked out of home or in an abusive household, what are they going to do live on the streets, watch their child get beat or allow their child to watch them be beat or another family to be beat etc.

    Abortion is not taken likely and to tell someone to not have sex is -because it will lead to pregnancy/it's a consequence "live with it"- stupid, everyone has the right to have sex. It's like telling people "don't take medication, as they have side effects and if you experience the side effects it's your fault and you brought it on yourself." Even though if they don't take the medication they will suffer long, get worse or face death.

    Unless all the people that are against abortion are going to look after, care or/and fund for the children then your argument is helpful, if not SHUT THE FUDGE UP!

    So no abortion should stay legal, if it is it will be safe, controlled (only professionals but that is another discussion) and the most human way.
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    (Original post by SirKyrgystan)
    I don't mean to disrespect your religion, but Allah is doing a really sh1tty job in that case
    Brother listen....All their bad condition is due to our wrong policies and acts...This is what our hands done and there are clear mistakes done by people who are behind them....
    But Allah still provides them provision.....

    You are like a man who kills his kid and says that Allah killed him....while this world is a test...
    All blessings are due to Allah and all harm is due to our hands for which we should seek forgiveness...

    ''What comes to you of good is from Allah , but what comes to you of evil, [O man], is from yourself. And We have sent you, [O Muhammad], to the people as a messenger, and sufficient is Allah as Witness.''The world is a test for all...and who wants to do bad,does.....so he will be paid according....
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    I just can't get behind the 'it's her body' argument. Because it's not really her body, is it? It's another body within her body. Besides, basing the argument on that results in fallacies. Why is abortion not ok beyond X week in that case? It's still 'her body'. It doesn't spawn its own existence spontaneously beyond a certain week. It doesn't make sense why abortion shouldn't be legal all throughout the pregnancy if you're using the 'it's her body' argument.

    I'm not saying that abortion is wrong. I'm saying that this argument is a bad one.
 
 
 
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