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    (Original post by ValerieKR)
    Yeah - more for a social perspective.
    Not much difference in social perspective at all.
    Most colleges claim they are most, social, friendly, nice college with relaxed atmosphere.
    Most of 'stereo-type' -based reputation you may fear/read about some colleges are nothing much more than just for banters among students .....and something some irresponsible media and people who doesn't know about Cambridge talk about.
    All colleges have all sorts of people from all sorts of background. You'll always find people you feel comfortable to be with.
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    (Original post by an_atheist)
    I'm just putting in an Open application. I get the feeling that the differences are minor between colleges, but I'm not the most decisive of people anyway.
    Open application gives you an almost random college, rather than a targeted one. Even if you think there's some slight advantage to any of them it's worth going with that over a random college, but it's your call.
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    I chose King's because it is more appealing for me as many internationals like me frequent there.
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    (Original post by an_atheist)
    I'm just putting in an Open application. I get the feeling that the differences are minor between colleges, but I'm not the most decisive of people anyway.
    Good idea.
    I don't know anyone at Cambridge (and I know many) who wish they were at another college. Everyone thinks theirs is the best, even they were pooled there from their first choice college.
    I'm sure you'll be happy with the college their computer system picked for you.
    Good luck with your application.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    But don't use that info to try to select an "easy" college. Admissions doesn't work like that.

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    Nah, mate. I used that info to select my college, and got in, so it clearly words.

    QED.

    But seriously, I chose my college simply because it had the longest pre-interview test, and two - rather than one - interviews, in case I screwed an interview up.
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    (Original post by an_atheist)
    I'm just putting in an Open application. I get the feeling that the differences are minor between colleges, but I'm not the most decisive of people anyway.
    don't do that, if there are colleges you would prefer to avoid (female-only -if you're female, of course- too far away, too "ugly" etc etc)

    just look what happened to poor Adolf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4QcrUQNr-k

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    (Original post by mariachi)
    don't do that, if there are colleges you would prefer to avoid (female-only -if you're female, of course- too far away, too "ugly" etc etc)

    just look what happened to poor Adolf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4QcrUQNr-k

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    That video has been going around for ages.....

    He was pooled to Girton from another college he applied. That can happen to anyone. Nothing to do with open application.
    And the computer does not allocate a boy to a female college. They know it will cause a huge fight between those Amazonesses over the boy and he won't survive even one term....

    On more serious note....
    many gorgeous looking colleges with beautiful old buildings also,have really ugly accommodations that's built in 60s/70s, and it's a good chance you end up in living there for a year or two.
    And gorgeous looks out side is sometimes deceptive too. The inside may not be as good looking as the outside suggest.......
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    (Original post by vincrows)
    That video has been going around for ages......
    we know, we know. But it's still quite funny

    point stays . Either putting in an open application, or choosing a heavily oversubscribed college increases your chances of finally attending a college you would perhaps have preferred not to go to

    open applications are of course allocated mostly to the less/desired colleges, and the pooling system (while quite effective) is far from being perfect . In any case, successful pooled candidates are also admitted, to a great extent, to the less desired colleges

    I know this goes against the official theory, but this is what happens in reality, as far as I can tell

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    (Original post by mariachi)
    we know, we know. But it's still quite funny

    point stays . Either putting in an open application, or choosing a heavily oversubscribed college, increases your chances of finally attending a college you would perhaps have preferred not to go to

    open applications are of course allocated mostly to the less/desired colleges, and the pooling system (while quite effective) is far from being perfect . In any case, pooled candidates are also admitted, to a great extent, to the less desired colleges

    I know this goes against the official theory, but this is what happens in reality, as far as I can tell

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    Evidence?
    I'm pretty sure Cambridge has a little bit bigger data application base than you have to come to their analysis.......
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    (Original post by vincrows)
    Evidence?
    I'm pretty sure Cambridge has a little bit bigger data application base than you have to come to their analysis.......
    just check on the usual Cambridge statistics page http://www.undergraduate.study.cam.a...ply/statistics

    where are most open applications allocated ? how many candidates are pooled to Trinity or Kings as compared to, say, Homerton, Girton, Murray Edwards etc ?

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    (Original post by mariachi)
    just check on the usual Cambridge statistics page http://www.undergraduate.study.cam.a...ply/statistics

    where are most open applications allocated ? how many candidates are pooled to Trinity or Kings as compared to, say, Homerton, Girton, Murray Edwards etc ?

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    That doesn't mean applying direct to Homerton is a better approach. They can, and do, reject many direct applicants in preference to taking from the pool.

    Bottomline, apply to the college you prefer, but just in the knowledge you may be pooled anyway. Your objective is to get into Cambridge, not so much a specific college.
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    I did the CUSU shadowing scheme (if you can do it, I really recommend it) at Queen's. Lived it, so applied there. Got rejected lol
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    (Original post by jneill)
    That doesn't mean applying direct to Homerton is a better approach. They can, and do, reject many direct applicants in preference to taking from the pool.

    Bottomline, apply to the college you prefer, but just in the knowledge you may be pooled anyway. Your objective is to get into Cambridge, not so much a specific college.
    there are two issues here

    -open applications. These are allocated mainly to the less-desired colleges. King's, Trinity, St Johns are allocated virtually no open applications at all, while Homerton, Girton, Murray Edwards etc receive the bulk of open applications (up to half of their applicant base or more)

    -pooling system. Check where most pooled candidates go. The oversubscribed colleges take in very few candidates via the pool / sometimes none at all, but they pool many of their candidates to other colleges (those less sought after). The less sought after colleges absorb the overwhelming majority of successfully pooled candidates

    The direct/indirect issue is a different one. Depends what you mean by "direct/indirect". Arguably, during the "normal" procedure, applications (whether computer-allocated or not) are examined more at length and more carefully than pooled ones, during the hectic pooling process, and thus there is less of an element of chance involved (but, as said, this is a different issue, and I obviously never took part in such procedures). Where you are right, is that computer-allocated applications are treated the same as the rest

    Bottomline . If you strongly dislike some colleges and want absolutely to avoid them, avoid applying to oversubscribed colleges, or making an open application

    if you think you would be happy at any college, and would not mind any of the less desired ones, then this does not obviously matter

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    (Original post by mariachi)
    The direct/indirect issue is a different one. Arguably, direct applications are examined more at length and more carefully than indirect ones, during the hectic pooling process, and thus there is less of an element of chance involved (but, as said, this is a different issue, and I obviously never took part in such procedures)
    No. Colleges do not know if an applicant was direct or Open. Only CAO knows that.

    That's why interviewers are told not to ask "why do you want to go to <this> college".

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    (Original post by jneill)
    No. Colleges do not know if an applicant was direct or Open. Only CAO knows that.

    That's why interviewers are told not to ask "why do you want to go to <this> college".

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    you didn't read my post carefully. I wrote

    (Original post by mariachi)
    Where you are right, is that computer-allocated applications are treated the same as the rest
    as I said, we have to define what we mean by direct and indirect. In the sentence by me that you quoted, i used "direct" as opposed to "pooled", not as opposed to "computer-allocated"

    if you look at my edited post, I think that it clarifies this issue

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    (Original post by mariachi)
    I obviously never took part in such procedures
    Probably the key to your whole premise
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    (Original post by mariachi)
    you didn't read my post carefully. I wrote



    as I said, we have to define what we mean by direct and indirect. In the sentence by me that you quoted, i used "direct" as opposed to "pooled", not as opposed to "computer-allocated"

    if you look at my edited post, I think that it clarifies this issue

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    Can I ask you something?
    This is not the first time you some to this forum with such argument. You;ve been doing it since 2014.
    In fact, almost all your posts in this forum is based around the same 'theory' you seem to have, and every, time some one explained to you your interpretation of data is wrong.
    yet, you still come back with same argument.
    Why are you doing it???

    Any kind of data is only useful and reliably usable by people who know the whole picture behind those numbers in statistic. Without those knowledge, you're bound to misinterpret and come to a wrong conclusion, as what you can see is just numbers, not the complicated pictures behind the numbers.
    That's why all the admission tutors/staff and the university website have been telling applicants repeatedly NOT TO PLAY THE STATISTIC GAME, as 1) it doesn't work, 2) the analysis of the data (just numbers) is probably wrong.

    So lets stop wasting each other's time now.
    If you're still not convinced, we can just agree to disagree and say good bye to each other, forever.

    Bye.
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    neither jneill nor vincrows have proved my points wrong. They have clearly focused on marginal details, and avoided the substance

    bottom line = if you dislike some colleges like Girton, Murray Edwards, Homerton etc (or, if a girl, Newnham or Lucy Cavendiish) and want to reduce the risk of going there

    - don't make an open application

    - don't apply to extremely popular colleges such as King's, Trinity, St John's

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    (Original post by mariachi)
    bottom line = if you dislike some colleges like Girton, Murray Edwards, Homerton etc (or, if a girl, Newnham or Lucy Cavendiish)
    Murray Edwards is also a women-only college.

    So much for your substance...
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    Please stop bashing female-only colleges, we're actually quite nice...
 
 
 
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