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    (Original post by Dima-Blackburn)
    Yes, because ignoring populist demands and upholding the principles of personal liberty, equality and common decency is an example of the "political elite instilling unfounded regressive agenda".
    Yet, you wonder why populism is thriving?

    If you continue to dismiss the public's dissatisfaction with Islam, then expect the National Front to continue to rise in the polls.
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    Is disappointing but not surprising to see how many of the reactionary right want to see the state to regulate what women can wear.
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    (Original post by ollie1024)
    51.9% of people chose for the UK to leave the EU, can we reverse that because it wasn't a huge majority? Its how democracy works dude.
    I don't see how that is relevant to what I said.

    Voting to leave the EU is not a breach of human rights and civil liberties.

    Also for the record, I don't support going against the referendum's decision.

    So a question for you. If 70% of the UK supported the killing of gays, you would want that legislation implemented because it has a majority?
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    (Original post by slaven)
    It was not discriminatory as France is a laice state and burkini is an obvious religious symbol.
    This
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    (Original post by jake4198)
    Even though 64% of French people want to see the Burkini banned, the French High Court has opted to ignore the populous
    And rightly so.

    Can you imagine a judiciary that let its decisions be swayed by public opinion?
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    (Original post by jake4198)
    Yet, you wonder why populism is thriving?

    If you continue to dismiss the public's dissatisfaction with Islam, then expect the National Front to continue to rise in the polls.
    Populism is thriving due to an irrational climate of fear perpetuated by simplistic xenophobic rhetoric. Unlike you however, I don't celebrate the erosion of liberty and equality to appease the ignorant population. The Supreme Court recognises this; the law must always be above the whims of the people who indulge in reactionary politics without understanding the consequences.
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    (Original post by BasicMistake)
    I don't see how that is relevant to what I said.

    Voting to leave the EU is not a breach of human rights and civil liberties.

    Also for the record, I don't support going against the referendum's decision.

    So a question for you. If 70% of the UK supported the killing of gays, you would want that legislation implemented because it has a majority?
    In response, I don't see how that is relevant question, who said they want to kill Muslims? And many argue against the fact of leaving the EU, and neither do I support going against the referendum's decision.
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    (Original post by ollie1024)
    In response, I don't see how that is relevant question, who said they want to kill Muslims? And many argue against the fact of leaving the EU, and neither do I support going against the referendum's decision.
    It was incredibly relevant. It was a question of human rights and freedoms against a majority sentiment. I scaled up the issue to murder so you would see the problem with your view. The freedom to wear what you like is not as important as the right to life but neither is the freedom from slavery. Does that mean slavery should be allowed if the majority of people supported it? No, of course not. So why should we allow the double standard for the freedom to dress as you like?

    I know people argue against leaving the EU but as I said, leaving the EU does not conflict with civil liberties.

    If you are still confused, I'll simplify the question:

    Do you support going against human rights/freedoms if there is a majority backing?
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    (Original post by ollie1024)
    In response, I don't see how that is relevant question, who said they want to kill Muslims? And many argue against the fact of leaving the EU, and neither do I support going against the referendum's decision.
    Representative, not direct, democracy works because it allows the public to defer actual policy-making to those who are educated enough to make such decisions. In the absence of other measures that prevent tyranny of the majority, we would have the death penalty and no taxation since these positions are quite popular, even in a country like the UK.

    Of course, occasionally we hold referendums on topics which affect us as a nation-state, but even then I was against the EU referendum due to the misinformation surrounding it from both sides.
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    (Original post by jake4198)
    Yet, you wonder why populism is thriving? If you continue to dismiss the public's dissatisfaction with Islam, then expect the National Front to continue to rise in the polls.
    (Original post by Dima-Blackburn)
    Populism is thriving due to an irrational climate of fear perpetuated by simplistic xenophobic rhetoric. Unlike you however, I don't celebrate the erosion of liberty and equality to appease the ignorant population. The Supreme Court recognises this; the law must always be above the whims of the people who indulge in reactionary politics without understanding the consequences.
    its completely rational fear, perpetuated by islam and its adherents (of whom a worryingly large number support the murder of jews and apostates and the rape of western women, and think its okay to plough through crowds of western men women and children with a truck to kill them among many other things)

    you are pathologically delusional if you think the fear is rooted in 'simplistic xenophobic rhetoric' and not actual real threats. thankfully the masses dont buy into your kind of stupid thinking and want to look out for their women and children and are prepared to take action for it
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    (Original post by abcde3237)
    its completely rational fear, perpetuated by islam and its adherents (of whom a worryingly large number support the murder of jews
    Source?

    and apostates and the rape of western women
    Again, source?

    and think its okay to plough through crowds of western men women and children with a truck to kill them among many other things)
    Source?

    you are pathologically delusional if you think the fear is rooted in 'simplistic xenophobic rhetoric' and not actual real threats
    And you are a simpleton who has given into the climate of fear and willingly support any piece of legislation that intends to make life difficult for the majority of the law-abiding Muslims.

    thankfully the masses dont buy into your kind of stupid thinking and want to look out for their women and children and are prepared to take action for it
    Yes, banning the burkinis on beaches is a sure defense against those mean Muslim rapists.

    Should we tag Muslims with electronic bracelets? Would that help you sleep at night?
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    I saw M&S burkinis in a newspaper article a few months ago and thought it was a cool niche tbh.
    Never would have thought that there would be this much controversy over burkinis lmao what the ****
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    (Original post by jake4198)
    In a democracy, it is the responsibility of the ruling government to appease the views of the majority.

    Anyhow, the chances of the Socialists retaining power in 2017 is so slim that it's only a matter of time before progressive changes limiting the wearing of oppressive Islamic attire is made illegal by the UMP.
    While also crippling the human rights of the minority? sigh
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    (Original post by Dima-Blackburn)
    And you are a simpleton who has given into the climate of fear and willingly support any piece of legislation that intends to make life difficult for the majority of the law-abiding Muslims.

    Only a few individual Muslims wear the burkini, not the majority.
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    (Original post by lawyer3c)
    And rightly so.

    Can you imagine a judiciary that let its decisions be swayed by public opinion?
    Absolutely.

    The judiciary is part of the checks & balances for any functional government. Public opinion, so prone to change, is not everything when it comes to law making.

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    (Original post by jake4198)
    Even though 64% of French people want to see the Burkini banned, the French High Court has opted to ignore the populous and abide by unbeknownst legality to appease vocal minority protest groups.

    Nickolas Sarkozy, who is likely to lead the UMP for the 2017 election, has already said that he would support a nationwide ban on the Burkini. Also, don't be surprised if the support for the Front National increases as a result of the High Court's decision as it's just a further instance of the political elite defying public opinion to instill their unfounded regressive agenda.

    - Hollande, leader of the PS, is polling at 13%.
    - Sarkozy, expected nominee for the UMP, is polling at 23%.
    - Le Pen, leader of the Front Nation, is polling at 29%.

    The ban's reversal won't last long.
    This.

    The ban will come back sooner or later, the banning of the Burka will also happen in the UK and other Western nations in the near future as well.
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    (Original post by Dima-Blackburn)
    Populism is thriving due to an irrational climate of fear perpetuated by simplistic xenophobic rhetoric. Unlike you however, I don't celebrate the erosion of liberty and equality to appease the ignorant population. The Supreme Court recognises this; the law must always be above the whims of the people who indulge in reactionary politics without understanding the consequences.

    It is growing due to leftist stupidity.
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    It is growing due to leftist stupidity.
    Are you capable of political discussion without labelling someone as a "leftist" or "apologist"? :laugh:
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    Why is it is illegal to walk around in a bikini in certain Asian countries but it is legal to walk around in a Burkha which covers everything and you can't identify the person should they need to be?
    Can't tell anything, not even skin tone. This makes it a security issue.

    Don't agree with it, just like I don't like people who bash me with bibles. Don't want to see religion in the high street, nor do I want to see it. Religion should be a private thing, not shoved in our face!


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    (Original post by Scienceisgood)
    Why is it is illegal to walk around in a bikini in certain Asian countries but it is legal to walk around in a Burkha which covers everything and you can't identify the person should they need to be?
    Can't tell anything, not even skin tone. This makes it a security issue.
    Might as well ban hoodies, buffs, masks and any other item of clothing that obscures a person's features then.

    (Original post by Scienceisgood)
    Don't agree with it, just like I don't like people who bash me with bibles. Don't want to see religion in the high street, nor do I want to see it. Religion should be a private thing, not shoved in our face!
    I don't like Bible-bashers either but wearing a burqa isn't telling me to convert to Islam. We also can't ban anything we don't like or that offends us. I know, shocking that not all liberals are triggered SJWs (this comment isn't directed at you in particular btw).
 
 
 
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