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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    The Socialist Party have shown themselves to be considerably more competent than yours this term. You sound arrogant and deluded.
    That's subjective, as is the rest of this conversation. Aph made a comment, I simply responded in the same manner. If you both actually want to debate policy at some point, I'm more than happy to.

    Edit: And in any case, I called their economics incompetent, rather than the party as a whole. They are wholly competent at writing and pushing policies, it's just that the economic ones would be detrimental to this country (in my opinion).

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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    That's subjective, as is the rest of this conversation. Aph made a comment, I simply responded in the same manner. If you both actually want to debate policy at some point, I'm more than happy to.

    Edit: And in any case, I called their economics incompetent, rather than the party as a whole. They are wholly competent at writing and pushing policies, it's just that the economic ones would be detrimental to this country (in my opinion).
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    There's not a single policy of yours you could point to that demonstrates what you said. From you I see a savaging of trade unions, from them I see one of the best written bills of the term with regards to rail nationalisation. From you I see the complete failure to research a bill that is V1005, from them I see at least an attempt at your supposed pledge to reduce university tuition fees (which you didn't vote for so you could instead support what will be a ineffectual subsidy on STEM degrees). Maybe the weak government items are the Tories' fault and not yours, though that still begs the question of where the heck your party shown 'economic awareness' let alone 'economic competency'.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    There's not a single policy of yours you could point to that demonstrates what you said. From you I see a savaging of trade unions, from them I see one of the best written bills of the term with regards to rail nationalisation. From you I see the complete failure to research a bill that is V1005, from them I see at least an attempt at your supposed pledge to reduce university tuition fees (which you didn't vote for so you could instead support what will be a ineffectual subsidy on STEM degrees). Maybe the weak government items are the Tories' fault and not yours, though that still begs the question of where the heck your party shown 'economic awareness' let alone 'economic competency'.
    I abstained on the trade union bill and disagreed with it and it failed.

    On V1005, that was admittedly an error by us, but a mistake does not make us incompetent.

    I'll point you to the entire budget for our economic competency, as apparently that's gone straight over your head.


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    Mr speaker, does the deputy prime minister agree that competence comes from quality items on important issues rather than the quantity of bills on issue such as legalising child pornography?
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I abstained on the trade union bill and disagreed with it and it failed.
    On V1005, that was admittedly an error by us, but a mistake does not make us incompetent.
    I'll point you to the entire budget for our economic competency, as apparently that's gone straight over your head.

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    The mistake doesn't make you incompetent does it? But apparently the Socialists are just 'cos. Interesting that you cite the budget, which can't even be enacted without The Financier's presence, as a sign of your party being competent. Because obviously, 'do whatever the right-wing pressure group taxpayer's alliance says' is a sign of competence.

    Amazingly, I don't think the budget included a single one of your party's economic policies anyway...
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I thank the Right Honourable lady for her question and I look forward to debating her and my other relevant shadows.

    In the immediate future we have a bill on the way to reduce energy costs for homeowners (written by Rakas) and a DEFRA SOI (written by Adam).


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    I look forward to both then, and to holding both to proper scrutiny. Although I feel I should point out that would put the Government, if we added it to last month's statistics, still one behind on primary legislation compared to the opposition, and two items behind including motions and SoIs. It is all well and good to talk about quality over quantity, but a Government can not sit idle on a few pieces of legislation and talk about quality over quantity as in fact it is failing to get anything done.

    And that is before we look at the statistics for the term so far, where the Opposition are far ahead of the Government, with 19 pieces of primary legislation to 10, which puts the Government on par with the socialists, and just one bill ahead of UKIP.

    As a side note (I'll ask my second question tomorrow) it seems even when it is my turn at the dispatch box for (D)PMQs Ray still manages to do the job, and far better than myself :laugh:
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I have a veto, but I don't intend to veto a bill the majority of the Government support, as much as I don't like it


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    They you don't have a veto, because all it takes is a bill all the Tories support for you not to use it.

    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    The Finance Bill is written but will only be submitted when The Financier is back as it is his work. The Finance Bill will pass, and it will pass comfortably.

    When there is still a month of the term to go, there is plenty more that can still be done, and even if it is not done, this term has still been a success for both coalition parties.

    The right honourable member talks of cuckoo land - but it is he that chose to abandon a party of sensible economics and liberal values for an irrelevant and economically incompetent socialist party.


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    I fail to see how it can be deemed a success when this is the least active government in my time here. It has been abysmal and you are deluded to think otherwise.

    And there is no such thing as sensible economics in the liberals, unless that means helping the very richest in society. Plus this 'irrelevant' party has been far more active than the government this term.
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    Finally on the PC so I can answer all of these in one go!

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    Mr speaker, does the deputy prime minister agree that competence comes from quality items on important issues rather than the quantity of bills on issue such as legalising child pornography?
    My Right Honourable Friend is absolutely correct. This Government is focused on legislating only where it is needed, and will continue to do so.

    (Original post by RayApparently)
    The mistake doesn't make you incompetent does it? But apparently the Socialists are just 'cos. Interesting that you cite the budget, which can't even be enacted without The Financier's presence, as a sign of your party being competent. Because obviously, 'do whatever the right-wing pressure group taxpayer's alliance says' is a sign of competence.

    Amazingly, I don't think the budget included a single one of your party's economic policies anyway...
    Again, I told you their incompetence was subjective, and to be frank, should not be a point in this debate. I disagree with their economic policy. You seemingly do. There's nothing more to that.

    My Right Honourable friend the Prime Minister made it very clear that the Finance Bill will be submitted when the Chancellor is back from his Holiday. There is a month left of this term. The Leader of the Opposition need not fret, we'll get it out in time.

    As for the budget, our policies at the start of the term were vague, However, I was talked out of the Personal Allowance raise for the reason in the budget:
    The income tax personal allowance has been a significant tool used by politicians to reduce income tax liabilities, but research by the Institute of Fiscal Studies suggests that continued reductions in the personal allowance has limited effects on the poor. In addition, such a measure is extremely expensive and with falling progressivity, this government will maintain the personal allowance at £11,000.

    Instead, this government will create a new tax band of 10% for the £11000 to £15000 income range. This represents a tax cut for over 30 million people and continues to ensure that the working class has the proportionately greatest benefit. In addition, we will maintain the previous government’s pledge to set the higher rate threshold at £50000.
    We legislated for Corporation Tax prior to the budget, and those changes are in the Finance Bill.

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    I look forward to both then, and to holding both to proper scrutiny. Although I feel I should point out that would put the Government, if we added it to last month's statistics, still one behind on primary legislation compared to the opposition, and two items behind including motions and SoIs. It is all well and good to talk about quality over quantity, but a Government can not sit idle on a few pieces of legislation and talk about quality over quantity as in fact it is failing to get anything done.

    And that is before we look at the statistics for the term so far, where the Opposition are far ahead of the Government, with 19 pieces of primary legislation to 10, which puts the Government on par with the socialists, and just one bill ahead of UKIP.

    As a side note (I'll ask my second question tomorrow) it seems even when it is my turn at the dispatch box for (D)PMQs Ray still manages to do the job, and far better than myself :laugh:
    As my Right Honourable friend Joecphillips said above, it is not solely down to the quantity of legislation produced, but the quantity. For example, UKIP have produced plenty of bills this term, but how many have been made law?

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    They you don't have a veto, because all it takes is a bill all the Tories support for you not to use it.


    I fail to see how it can be deemed a success when this is the least active government in my time here. It has been abysmal and you are deluded to think otherwise.

    And there is no such thing as sensible economics in the liberals, unless that means helping the very richest in society. Plus this 'irrelevant' party has been far more active than the government this term.
    You misunderstand me. If the majority of the Government (including members of my own party) support a bill, I am choosing not to veto it. I am not obliged to not veto something. I will still veto anything my party tells me they do not support.

    I repeat yet again, quantity still isn't everything. This Government has got things done, we've actually produced a budget with correct costings and we're still ready to do more for the next month.

    Finally, as I've also said before, the economics bit is subjective. It is not worth stalling on it when we can debate policy. The Liberals are not a right-wing party. We do not believe in just helping the richest, hence the tax cut for 30 million people and a continued personal allowance of £11,000. Tell me, what have the Socialists done in Government? Ah, right.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    As my Right Honourable friend Joecphillips said above, it is not solely down to the quantity of legislation produced, but the quantity. For example, UKIP have produced plenty of bills this term, but how many have been made law?

    Tell me, what have the Socialists done in Government? Ah, right.
    I think these two points are irrelevant, just because a Bill ideologically aligned to your party doesn't pass through the House due to other people not believing in the same thing doesn't necessarily make it a bad bill.

    In the same way, the Soc's not getting into Government because of not enough people being true socialists or them not conceding on their party line is actually quite admirable, as opposed to them folding and joining the Labour tent and increasing the left block.


    Mr Speaker,

    Can the Deputy Prime Minister share with the House what policies we can expect the Liberal party to push through Government before the end of term?
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    This is a structured question time – can we please respect the number of questions permitted and take further debate somewhere else?
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    Mr Speaker,

    The Prime Minister has had to go on leave twice due to a severe injury in a certain part of his digestive system and the Deputy Prime Minister has had to step in for him on two occasions. Can the House and the British people be assured that the Prime Minister is feeling better (or should I say not hurting so much), and that the Deputy Prime Minister will not have to step again in the near future?
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    In deference to you, Mr Speaker, I shall respond to the DPM's post in the bar (where there'll be alcohol available to make his arguments more tolerable).
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    As my Right Honourable friend Joecphillips said above, it is not solely down to the quantity of legislation produced, but the quantity. For example, UKIP have produced plenty of bills this term, but how many have been made law?
    Mr Speaker, I thank the Rt.Hon Gentleman for his reply, I feel he may have missed the point I was making but I'll refrain from breaking the format of DPMQ.

    I now ask my second question, at the start of the term Mr Speaker, as the Right Honourable Gentleman may recall I asked the Prime Minister, the Rt.Hon Life_Peer MP, how he can claim to govern for everyone when his party has historically been, and in my view continues to be, anti-LGBTQ+. I now ask the Deputy Prime Minister, will he and his liberal MPs support any Opposition legislation on the issues of LGBTQ+ rights and recognition even if his senior collation partners intend to vote against it.
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    Mr Speaker, I thank the Rt.Hon Gentleman for his reply, I feel he may have missed the point I was making but I'll refrain from breaking the format of DPMQ.

    I now ask my second question, at the start of the term Mr Speaker, as the Right Honourable Gentleman may recall I asked the Prime Minister, the Rt.Hon Life_Peer MP, how he can claim to govern for everyone when his party has historically been, and in my view continues to be, anti-LGBTQ+. I now ask the Deputy Prime Minister, will he and his liberal MPs support any Opposition legislation on the issues of LGBTQ+ rights and recognition even if his senior collation partners intend to vote against it.
    I should think so, yes. Every individual should be equal regardless of their gender, sexuality, race or other differences.


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    (Original post by Unown Uzer)
    Mr Speaker,

    The Prime Minister has had to go on leave twice due to a severe injury in a certain part of his digestive system and the Deputy Prime Minister has had to step in for him on two occasions. Can the House and the British people be assured that the Prime Minister is feeling better (or should I say not hurting so much), and that the Deputy Prime Minister will not have to step again in the near future?
    I can assure the Honourable Gentleman that the Prime Minister is feeling better than ever and he should be fine unless he picks up a sudden illness.


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    (Original post by JoeL1994)
    I think these two points are irrelevant, just because a Bill ideologically aligned to your party doesn't pass through the House due to other people not believing in the same thing doesn't necessarily make it a bad bill.

    In the same way, the Soc's not getting into Government because of not enough people being true socialists or them not conceding on their party line is actually quite admirable, as opposed to them folding and joining the Labour tent and increasing the left block.


    Mr Speaker,

    Can the Deputy Prime Minister share with the House what policies we can expect the Liberal party to push through Government before the end of term?
    I'm not disputing the quality of socialist bills themselves - just the ideas behind them.

    Prison Reform as I have mentioned earlier in this session is my main priority moving forward, but I also wish to get drug decriminalisation through, with the help of my coalition partners or not.


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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I'm not disputing the quality of socialist bills themselves - just the ideas behind them.

    Prison Reform as I have mentioned earlier in this session is my main priority moving forward, but I also wish to get drug decriminalisation through, with the help of my coalition partners or not.


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    Can we get a ball park figure (including the 2 you mention here) of the amount of Bills you're aiming to release to the house?
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    Mr. Speaker,

    Does the Right Honourable Deputy Prime Minister harbour any disappointment at the lack of any truly liberal, let alone radical, social reform by this government and by even his own party, despite this being core to their professed values?
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Finally on the PC so I can answer all of these in one go!



    My Right Honourable Friend is absolutely correct. This Government is focused on legislating only where it is needed, and will continue to do so.



    Again, I told you their incompetence was subjective, and to be frank, should not be a point in this debate. I disagree with their economic policy. You seemingly do. There's nothing more to that.

    My Right Honourable friend the Prime Minister made it very clear that the Finance Bill will be submitted when the Chancellor is back from his Holiday. There is a month left of this term. The Leader of the Opposition need not fret, we'll get it out in time.

    As for the budget, our policies at the start of the term were vague, However, I was talked out of the Personal Allowance raise for the reason in the budget:


    We legislated for Corporation Tax prior to the budget, and those changes are in the Finance Bill.



    As my Right Honourable friend Joecphillips said above, it is not solely down to the quantity of legislation produced, but the quantity. For example, UKIP have produced plenty of bills this term, but how many have been made law?



    You misunderstand me. If the majority of the Government (including members of my own party) support a bill, I am choosing not to veto it. I am not obliged to not veto something. I will still veto anything my party tells me they do not support.

    I repeat yet again, quantity still isn't everything. This Government has got things done, we've actually produced a budget with correct costings and we're still ready to do more for the next month.

    Finally, as I've also said before, the economics bit is subjective. It is not worth stalling on it when we can debate policy. The Liberals are not a right-wing party. We do not believe in just helping the richest, hence the tax cut for 30 million people and a continued personal allowance of £11,000. Tell me, what have the Socialists done in Government? Ah, right.
    So, wait, which is it?

    The majority of the government backs a bill (ie every Tory) but the majority of your own Liberal party oppose it, (let's say, £9k tuition fees) do you veto?
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I should think so, yes. Every individual should be equal regardless of their gender, sexuality, race or other differences.


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    Mr Speaker I suppose the only way to follow up this issue is to ask, would it be a coalition breaker? If the tories insisted you vote against or at least abstain on a bill about LGBTQ+ rights, recognition and equality, or even a bill to do with racial or gender rights and equality, would you be prepared to break away from the Tories, or would you lead your MPs in not voting for it? Assuming you and the majority of your party agree with the bill.
 
 
 
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