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    (Original post by LifeIsFine)
    He said LMAO because a libertarian communist is an oxymoron.
    LMAO lies. Free from big gov and big business. Right wing libertarians seem to think if they don’t have the right to fire their workers for any reason they don’t have freedom. Funny because libertarianism was an originally socialist idea. Freedom in capitalist society remains exactly how it was in ancient greek republics. Freedom for the slave owners and the few. LibSoc’s believe in freedom for the many.
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    (Original post by Vividly clear)
    How can you be communist and Libertarian?

    Marx wanted a large central bank owned run and controlled by a large government, libertarians like limited government and freedom from authoritarian rules
    Libertarian Socialism. I’m a Luxemburgist. Libertarianism originated as a Socialist ideology. Marx wasn’t the only Communist writer, although his economics is hugely influential. He didn’t want that actually. See his stage theory for the Communist definition. Or the wikipedia page for “Communist society”.
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    M'eh, good enough.
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    (Original post by Vividly clear)
    My kind of person right here.
    I feel very much like a sore thumb being the only conservative on this thread
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    (Original post by frankielogue)
    Libertarian Socialism. I’m a Luxemburgist. Libertarianism originated as a Socialist ideology. Marx wasn’t the only Communist writer, although his economics is hugely influential. He didn’t want that actually. See his stage theory for the Communist definition. Or the wikipedia page for “Communist society”.
    What do you mean he didn't want that? What's the 5th plank of the communist manifesto?
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    (Original post by Pinkberry_y)
    I feel very much like a sore thumb being the only conservative on this thread
    I'm also a conservative, but I'm liberal on a couple of issues.
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    (Original post by Vividly clear)
    What do you mean he didn't want that? What's the 5th plank of the communist manifesto?
    This is socialism in the transition to Communism.

    To quote Noam Chomsky (yes ik he isn’t the best source this explains my point):

    "Let me just say regarding the terminology, since we happen to be in the United States, we have to be rather careful. Libertarian in the United States has a meaning which is almost the opposite of what it has in the rest of the world traditionally. Here, libertarian means ultra right-wing capitalist. In the European tradition, libertarian meant socialist. So, anarchism was sometimes called libertarian socialism, a large wing of anarchism, so we have to be a little careful about terminology.”
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    Anarchism emerged as a modern political movement as a tendency in the socialist movement in the 19th century. Anarchism advocates a particular form of socialism, based on the concept of positive liberty or self-management, where people control decisions to the extent they are affected by them. This means anarchism is opposed to institutions based on top-down power hierarchies such as the governmental apparatus or the corporations. Thus anarchism is anti-capitalist as well as being anti-state. Like socialism anarchism has its origin in working class radicalism.

    Anarchism proposes to replace capitalism with an economy based around workers self-management of industry, common social ownership of the means of production, and replacing the state with direct democracy of assemblies, extended to governance over larger areas through delegates who are closely controlled by the base assemblies. The calls for "limited government" by Republicans and socalled "libertarians" are often deceitful, since in reality they favor a powerful state to protect corporate investments throughout the world, and thus a huge U.S. military, and police forces to protect capitalist property against workers or tenants or masses of poorer people.

    The forms of government the right-wing want limited are those programs that benefit working class people, such as unemployment benefits, food stamps, minimum wage laws, public transit subsidies, etc. However, anarchists do not favor attacks on the social wage, as these are simply a part of the value created by workers that we have forced the state to give back, through mass struggles in the past. And the same is true for things like free or public health care. Anarchists also propose that people's needs be provided for through systems of social provision such as free health care, free education and so on. Free health care & free education can be argued for on the basis of positive liberty, the roughly equal access of everyone to the means to develop & sustain their abilities.

    However, anarchists also propose that public goods be provided not thru the state as at present but through public services managed by workers, and accountable to the direct democracy of popular assemblies. Being against the state as an institution is not the same as being against the services that at present happen to be organized through the state, as Kropotkin pointed out long ago.

    There have come to exist since the '60s various small minorities who have tried to appropriate the "anarchist" label despite having right wing politics. On examination, however, it will be found they violate basic ideas of traditional anarchism. For example, "anarcho-capitalists" say they are against the state but they are really against democracy, whereas anarchism historically has advocated direct democrcy.

    "Anarcho-capitalists" propose to privatize state functions like police & the judiciary, but the private security forces & arbitration agencies, being run top down & controlled by the wealthy, will in fact be a state. This would be a return to feudalism where the state functions were under private control. The state would still exist because the overall governance functions would be concentrated in certain (private) bureaucracies, separate from popular control. It is this separation which enables the state to serve the interests of dominating, exploiting classes. As to "national anarchists", they are fascists with a racist separatist ideology that violates the traditional anarchist ideas of internationalism & solidarity. Just as the Nazis were not socialists despite the word "socialist" in their name, anarcho-capitalists & national anarchists are not anarchists at all.
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    (Original post by Vividly clear)
    How can you be communist and Libertarian?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
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    Socialism and Communism are 2 extremely different ideologies.
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    (Original post by frankielogue)
    Communist Libertarian Humanist Progressive
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    Communist libertarian? :toofunny:

    I never placed these tests on a high pedestal, but I cannot take this one seriously.
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    (Original post by Vividly clear)
    Socialism and Communism are 2 extremely different ideologies.
    not really, they are both concerned with the workers controlling the means of production.

    anyway in the article I linked you....

    anarchist communism, anarchist collectivism, libertarian Marxist[27] philosophies such as council communism[28] and Luxemburgism;[29

    Those are all communist.
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