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    (Original post by canyou)
    I mean if it can't be proved by science then it can't be objective.
    I agree, but it seems morality can be proved by science once we agree that the aim of morality is the maximisation of well-being and the minimisation of suffering.
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    Ugh, everything is considered 'subjective' on this site.
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    (Original post by Nirvana1989-1994)
    Ugh, everything is considered 'subjective' on this site.
    Well that's subjective isn't it?
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    (Original post by macromicro)
    Well that's subjective isn't it?
    You tell me.
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    (Original post by Nirvana1989-1994)
    You tell me.
    I was arguing for objectivity.

    Assuming we had the neurological means, we could measure precisely how harmful an action is and therefore understand objectively how wrong it is, considering that "harm" is just nerves and chemicals responding to stimuli. Grief, pain, depression, anxiety, suffering... all just electrical impulses and chemical reactions giving rise to those states of feeling. This seems decidedly objective to me.
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    (Original post by macromicro)
    I was arguing for objectivity.

    Assuming we had the neurological means, we could measure precisely how harmful an action is and therefore understand objectively how wrong it is, considering that "harm" is just nerves and chemicals responding to stimuli. Grief, pain, depression, anxiety, suffering... all just electrical impulses and chemical reactions giving rise to those states of feeling. This seems decidedly objective to me.
    I wasn't being serious.....
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    (Original post by Nirvana1989-1994)
    I wasn't being serious.....
    I know, but your original post was.
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    (Original post by macromicro)
    I know, but your original post was.
    Nah, I was just ranting.
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    (Original post by Nirvana1989-1994)
    Nah, I was just ranting.
    My mistake, I'll use my telepathy next time.
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    (Original post by macromicro)
    My mistake, I'll use my telepathy next time.
    No need to be rude.
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    I don't think anyone would debate morality is a social construct.

    It's just a perspective nothing more.
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    (Original post by BabyLadDarren)
    I don't think anyone would debate morality is a social construct.

    It's just a perspective nothing more.
    Read above.
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    if "evil" is the intention to do harm or inflict personal pain/sadness to others, then surely some acts, given some pretty obvious intentions (like arbitrary torture) will objectively be evil?.
    Well yeah but you've immediately started with an assumption.
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    (Original post by macromicro)
    Read above.
    That wouldn't in anyway make it objective to me, I don't see how you would consider that objective but okay.
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    (Original post by BabyLadDarren)
    That wouldn't in anyway make it objective to me, I don't see how you would consider that objective but okay.
    Explain how it's not objective.
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    (Original post by macromicro)
    Explain how it's not objective.
    Because you are assuming harm is 'wrong'?

    none of what you said proves the concept of wrong and right exists, we disagree on morality as it is, we evolved as a species to become social creatures and instictively many have empathy in certain situations because that benefits humanity as a whole. But that's just an evolutionary instinct, doesn't mean anything.
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    (Original post by BabyLadDarren)
    Because you are assuming harm is 'wrong'?
    No I'm saying that harm is painful and we would rather not feel pain.

    We can then use the word "wrong" to encapsulate that, but there isn't an assumption first and a conclusion second, rather there is a scientific observation first and a classification second (i.e. pain hurts, we don't like it, so let's label it 'wrong').
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    (Original post by macromicro)
    No I'm saying that harm is painful and we would rather not feel pain.

    We can then use the word "wrong" to encapsulate that, but there isn't an assumption first and a conclusion second, rather there is a scientific observation first and a classification second (i.e. pain hurts, we don't like it, so let's label it 'wrong'.
    Wouldn't consider that objective.
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    I think it depends on the intentions; if they're to cause harm then it's evil
 
 
 
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