Stop with the "who created God" argument it's bloody horrendous.

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    (Original post by StudyJosh)
    Mainly because the Big Bang doesn't explain how the universe started so it couldn't be that.
    I'm pretty sure it does.
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    (Original post by BrainJuice)
    The reason why people think this can even count as an argument is because the majority of things around them, have been created - so they assume that the same must apply to The Creator. And yet this is just proof that there is an Eternal Creator as if this was the case everything you see would be created.

    We know there must be an Eternal First Cause, as otherwise there would be an infinite regress, meaning that nothing at all would come to existence. Again I've explained above why the human mind might not think this could be possible.
    The logic for believing in a God is that nothing can be created from nothing, therefore a God did it.
    But if nothing can be created from nothing how did God come about ?

    Are you seriously too narrow minded to consider this logic ?
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    (Original post by !!mentor!!)
    I'm pretty sure it does.
    Well, then you don't know the theory because it isn't actually meant to explain how the universe first came into being.
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    (Original post by saraxh)
    Doesn't Allah mean God in English? Correct me if I'm wrong
    Yeah, Allah is the Arabic word for God.
    E.g. some Christians in Egypt (where the main language is Arabic) in a conversation would say Allah.
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    (Original post by StudyJosh)
    Well, then you don't know the theory because it isn't actually meant to explain how the universe first came into being.
    I'm pretty sure it is.
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    (Original post by StudyJosh)
    Well, then you don't know the theory because it isn't actually meant to explain how the universe first came into being.
    Err, yes it is...

    It describes the expansion of the singularity and the subsequent changes in atomic structure that ultimately gave rise to the universe. How is that not explaining how the universe was formed..?
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    I'm not religious, but even I can understand the concept of a Creator that doesn't need to be created.

    Presumably, gods wouldn't be bound by mortal laws and logic.
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    (Original post by BrainJuice)
    The reason why people think this can even count as an argument is because the majority of things around them, have been created - so they assume that the same must apply to The Creator. And yet this is just proof that there is an Eternal Creator as if this was the case everything you see would be created.We know there must be an Eternal First Cause, as otherwise there would be an infinite regress, meaning that nothing at all would come to existence. Again I've explained above why the human mind might not think this could be possible.
    allah akabar
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Err, yes it is...

    It describes the expansion of the singularity and the subsequent changes in atomic structure that ultimately gave rise to the universe. How is that not explaining how the universe was formed..?
    Formed not coming into existence.
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    (Original post by !!mentor!!)
    I'm pretty sure it is.
    It's not. Just simply how it formed.
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    (Original post by StudyJosh)
    It's not. Just simply how it formed.
    It is.
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    (Original post by BrainJuice)
    The reason why people think this can even count as an argument is because the majority of things around them, have been created - so they assume that the same must apply to The Creator. And yet this is just proof that there is an Eternal Creator as if this was the case everything you see would be created.

    We know there must be an Eternal First Cause, as otherwise there would be an infinite regress, meaning that nothing at all would come to existence. Again I've explained above why the human mind might not think this could be possible.
    Making "God" an "eternal first cause" just moves the infinite regress elsewhere, but with the added problem of being based on no evidence or logic whatsoever.

    Having no first cause may be problematic, but it is at least less problematic.
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    (Original post by StudyJosh)
    Formed not coming into existence.
    That is how our universe, in its current form, came into existence...
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    (Original post by saraxh)
    Doesn't Allah mean God in English? Correct me if I'm wrong
    Allha = Muslim
    God = English
    Both are same.
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    (Original post by !!mentor!!)
    It is.
    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    That is how our universe, in its current form, came into existence...

    You're like all those confused atheists that think scientists actually think the Big Bang is the start of the universe. Also, the Big Bang couldn't be the first cause because all scientists believe there must have been something before. They believe before the Big Bang, all matter was condensed into one spot AKA a singularity. So, if there was something before - it can't be how everything started - just how the universe as we know it now began.

    As I quote a strong atheis (Brian Greene):

    "A common misconception is that the Big Bang provides a theory of cosmic origins. It doesn't. The Big Bang is a theory … that delineates cosmic evolution from a split second after whatever happened to bring the universe into existence, but it says nothing at all about time zero itself. And since, according to the Big Bang theory, the bang is what is supposed to have happened at the beginning, the Big Bang leaves out the bang. It tells us nothing about what banged, why it banged, how it banged, or, frankly, whether it really banged at all."
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    (Original post by StudyJosh)
    You're like all those confused atheists that think scientists actually think the Big Bang is the start of the universe. Also, the Big Bang couldn't be the first cause because all scientists believe there must have been something before. They believe before the Big Bang, all matter was condensed into one spot AKA a singularity. So, if there was something before - it can't be how everything started - just how the universe as we know it now began.

    As I quote a strong atheis (Brian Greene):

    "A common misconception is that the Big Bang provides a theory of cosmic origins. It doesn't. The Big Bang is a theory … that delineates cosmic evolution from a split second after whatever happened to bring the universe into existence, but it says nothing at all about time zero itself. And since, according to the Big Bang theory, the bang is what is supposed to have happened at the beginning, the Big Bang leaves out the bang. It tells us nothing about what banged, why it banged, how it banged, or, frankly, whether it really banged at all."
    You're being pedantic. Yes, everyone knows that the Big Bang was the expansion of the singularity, no one believes the Big Bang came out of literal nothing, it was simply the inflation of the supercondensed state now referred to as he singularity. That is how the universe, in its current form, came about.
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    >make troll thread
    >get 6 gorillion replies
    >other guy makes a thread to tell others to stop making troll threads
    >goy named "Plantagenet Crown" gets 100000% mad and uses his """superior""" intellect to "crush" everyone in the debate
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    (Original post by StudyJosh)
    You're like all those confused atheists that think scientists actually think the Big Bang is the start of the universe. Also, the Big Bang couldn't be the first cause because all scientists believe there must have been something before. They believe before the Big Bang, all matter was condensed into one spot AKA a singularity. So, if there was something before - it can't be how everything started - just how the universe as we know it now began.

    As I quote a strong atheis (Brian Greene):

    "A common misconception is that the Big Bang provides a theory of cosmic origins. It doesn't. The Big Bang is a theory … that delineates cosmic evolution from a split second after whatever happened to bring the universe into existence, but it says nothing at all about time zero itself. And since, according to the Big Bang theory, the bang is what is supposed to have happened at the beginning, the Big Bang leaves out the bang. It tells us nothing about what banged, why it banged, how it banged, or, frankly, whether it really banged at all."
    Ah yes, that famous atheist Brian Green, otherwise known as Mr Megan Fox.

    I'll see your 'strong atheist' and raise you the elected representative of all religions in all the worlds, in all the galaxies, in all the universes. A man who now endorses the big bang theory, first pondered by the priest, Georges Lemaître.
    Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for his royal highness, the conquerer of worlds, the master of disaster... THE POPE.

    “The Big Bang, which is today posited as the origin of the world, does not contradict the divine act of creation; rather, it requires it. The evolution of nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation because evolution pre-supposes the creation of beings which evolve.”
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    You're being pedantic. Yes, everyone knows that the Big Bang was the expansion of the singularity, no one believes the Big Bang came out of literal nothing, it was simply the inflation of the supercondensed state now referred to as he singularity. That is how the universe, in its current form, came about.
    (Original post by !!mentor!!)
    Ah yes, that famous atheist Brian Green, otherwise known as Mr Megan Fox.

    I'll see your 'strong atheist' and raise you the elected representative of all religions in all the worlds, in all the galaxies, in all the universes. A man who now endorses the big bang theory, first pondered by the priest, Georges Lemaître.
    Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for his royal highness, the conquerer of worlds, the master of disaster... THE POPE.

    “The Big Bang, which is today posited as the origin of the world, does not contradict the divine act of creation; rather, it requires it. The evolution of nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation because evolution pre-supposes the creation of beings which evolve.”
    exactly, you both just disproved urself. because i was just trying to say the Big bang couldn't be the eternal first cause.
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    (Original post by StudyJosh)
    exactly, you both just disproved urself. because i was just trying to say the Big bang couldn't be the eternal first cause.
    We did not disprove ourselves because there is no evidence whatsoever of an eternal first cause. The singularity could have been eternal for all we know.
 
 
 
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