Should we get rid of weaker universities?

Announcements
    • Thread Starter
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Drewski)
    You completely ignored my question.
    I didn't ignore it sweetie, as a solution I said those said departments could be merged into the universities that are closest to them. Like how sometimes there are top universities in the same city as the bad ones (e.g. Birmingham city/Nottingham Trent in comparison to Nottingham/Birmingham)
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by zainyyyyy)
    ok, lets to save money lets burn down every single bad university. It doesnt matter what bad means but because this user says we should i think we should......

    also entry to london met is like CCC. To get this at A level is hard and just because you dont agree it doesnt mean ****..

    Also what does top 50 mean? cant a university just pay its way also as student satisfaction is how they judge why dont they just rig the surveys

    you sir are retarded
    entry may be stated as CCC but you can get on just about every course with 3 Es in reality.
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by BabyLadDarren)
    entry may be stated as CCC but you can get on just about every course with 3 Es in reality.

    does that hinder its ability to raise good students?
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by DraculaMihawk)
    I didn't ignore it sweetie, as a solution I said those said departments could be merged into the universities that are closest to them. Like how sometimes there are top universities in the same city as the bad ones (e.g. Birmingham city/Nottingham Trent in comparison to Nottingham/Birmingham)
    So the big universities, with the big outlays, massive infrastructure to support, large class sizes and their own array of expensive courses now have to subsidise the new 'smaller' institutions-formerly-known-universities?

    How popular do you think that's going to be?


    Here's a hint: not at all.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    Create alternatives or accept the fact that some people stay in education for the enjoyment of education.
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    the idea is nonsense for reasons already mentioned. i agree with OP's principle though, just not his ridiculous solution
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    The US has 600+ public universities. Reducing our number of universities will probably cause some sort of damane. By all means get rid of the really bad unis but we do need more than 50 universities in the UK imo
    Online

    2
    ReputationRep:
    Or remove/reduce (substantially) their tuition fees?
    Like the guy in the video says, if people attended that uni for free, it wouldn't be as bad.
    • Thread Starter
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Drewski)
    So the big universities, with the big outlays, massive infrastructure to support, large class sizes and their own array of expensive courses now have to subsidise the new 'smaller' institutions-formerly-known-universities?

    How popular do you think that's going to be?


    Here's a hint: not at all.
    Just because those departments are merging doesn't mean they have to be subsidised by the university itself. As a separate college they raise their own funding or they simply vanish. There's already enough institutions to go around anyway.

    (Original post by Sorani)
    Create alternatives or accept the fact that some people stay in education for the enjoyment of education.
    I agree technical colleges and apprenticeships should be of better quality and should be emphasised more by schools.

    (Original post by takasar)
    the idea is nonsense for reasons already mentioned. i agree with OP's principle though, just not his ridiculous solution
    Not ridiculous. What's your solution then? Continue having naive students take out £27,000 debt in a degree in magazine journalism from a university ranked no. 89 and then be unemployed?

    (Original post by Trapz99)
    The US has 600+ public universities. Reducing our number of universities will probably cause some sort of damane. By all means get rid of the really bad unis but we do need more than 50 universities in the UK imo
    We are a small country in comparison. It won't cause any damage considering we already have a plethora of top universities in the global top 100. We need to focus on getting our other universities in the top 100 that are already esteemed in our country.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Too many . Not a god given right and just the best students from the best schools could go. It would make a degree rarer and worth having. It would also make sure the top 5 were adequately funded. Top 50 way too common. MIght even be better if we went back to just Oxbridge. Imperical could be a technical college and LSE just be able to teach economics to the Chinese.

    Everyone who wasnt able to get in should know their place and be made to do apprentichships or work in a shop.
    You have absolutely no clue about what you're talking about. Enjoy dreaming about your elitist fantasy world.
    Online

    3
    (Original post by zzFishstick)
    You have absolutely no clue about what you're talking about. Enjoy dreaming about your elitist fantasy world.
    Or maybe I dont agree with the OP at all and that was the point I was making. Just a thought.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    I say completely privatise the higher education sector and let universities set their own tuition fees. That way the universities that aren't up to scratch can fail and be shut down on their own accord.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Or maybe I dont agree with the OP at all and that was the point I was making. Just a thought.
    Oh. It was your second post reiterating the same thing, so I assumed you were serious.
    • Thread Starter
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by #ChaosKass)
    I say completely privatise the higher education sector and let universities set their own tuition fees. That way the universities that aren't up to scratch can fail and be shut down on their own accord.
    I wouldn't mind privatising higher education as an alternative solution. A bit radical but I like it. We should keep our universities as elite institutions, privatise them and attract international students which helps to settle the equilibrium, which then gives us the endowments to allow those bright students from poorer backgrounds to go to university.
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    What about the people who go to university purely for the pursuit of knowledge? "Certain standard of academic excellence" is tosh.
    Online

    3
    ReputationRep:
    First of all, to make any sense out of this argument you must provide evidence that those universities take in more than they give back.
    Secondly, you must prove that even if the margin is negative, the cost being paid by the government isn't translated into better job prospects and/or better personal and political development of individuals
    Until you provide that, your argument isn't worth considering.
    • Thread Starter
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Asurat)
    What about the people who go to university purely for the pursuit of knowledge? "Certain standard of academic excellence" is tosh.
    That's a very noble thing to say but the reality is the burden is on the taxpayers. There's no guarantee that someone who got CDD at A-level will go to a top university and gain employment from their communications studies just because they wanted to learn more.

    Certain standards of academic excellence is entry requirements. Depending on the course I believe anyone who gets below BBC-BCC shouldn't be allowed entrance at a university.
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    Bring the polytechnics back.
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by DraculaMihawk)
    That's a very noble thing to say but the reality is the burden is on the taxpayers. There's no guarantee that someone who got CDD at A-level will go to a top university and gain employment from their communications studies just because they wanted to learn more.

    Certain standards of academic excellence is entry requirements. Depending on the course I believe anyone who gets below BBC-BCC shouldn't be allowed entrance at a university.
    That sort of makes sense. I reckon rather than shutting people out entirely there should be a premium then. Universities were historically places to learn, not to pick up vocational skills.
    • Thread Starter
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by oShahpo)
    First of all, to make any sense out of this argument you must provide evidence that those universities take in more than they give back.
    Secondly, you must prove that even if the margin is negative, the cost being paid by the government isn't translated into better job prospects and/or better personal and political development of individuals
    Until you provide that, your argument isn't worth considering.
    Just look at the video I posted. It's happening everywhere, universities run like businesses now and prey on naive students. The margin is negative and many students have regretted going to university. You see them everywhere at McDonalds, KFC, Burger King, you name it, students with BA degrees from poor universities who regret their decision. Many of the students who come from those crap universities, who managed to get a job, could've gotten those jobs without getting in £27,000+ debt that many of them will never pay back. You wouldn't happened to go to London Met now would you?

    There needs to be better alternatives, like I've already said in this thread, for those less academically capable students.
 
 
 
Write a reply… Reply
Submit reply

Register

Thanks for posting! You just need to create an account in order to submit the post
  1. this can't be left blank
    that username has been taken, please choose another Forgotten your password?
  2. this can't be left blank
    this email is already registered. Forgotten your password?
  3. this can't be left blank

    6 characters or longer with both numbers and letters is safer

  4. this can't be left empty
    your full birthday is required
  1. Oops, you need to agree to our Ts&Cs to register
  2. Slide to join now Processing…

Updated: September 27, 2016
TSR Support Team

We have a brilliant team of more than 60 Support Team members looking after discussions on The Student Room, helping to make it a fun, safe and useful place to hang out.

Poll
Do you think sex education should be compulsory in schools?
Useful resources
Uni match

Applying to uni?

Our tool will help you find the perfect course

Articles:

Debate and current affairs guidelinesDebate and current affairs wiki

Quick link:

Educational debate unanswered threads

Groups associated with this forum:

View associated groups

The Student Room, Get Revising and Marked by Teachers are trading names of The Student Room Group Ltd.

Register Number: 04666380 (England and Wales), VAT No. 806 8067 22 Registered Office: International House, Queens Road, Brighton, BN1 3XE

Quick reply
Reputation gems: You get these gems as you gain rep from other members for making good contributions and giving helpful advice.