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B1053 – NHS Reform Bill 2016

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    (Original post by Aph)
    Umm no? Because only the most insane Tories want a private NHS and health care should be free at the point of service, just run independently.
    Ah, the sweet smell of hypocrisy.

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    (Original post by iEthan)
    For shame! Cannot agree with this bill unfortunately for you as I feel to stop access to such treatment is fundamentally and morally unacceptable.
    Why is not wasting money so unacceptable, are you sure you don't want to join Labour?

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Why is not wasting money so unacceptable, are you sure you don't want to join Labour?

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    Clearly we disagree and that's fine.
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    (Original post by iEthan)
    Clearly we disagree and that's fine.
    Let's try again: why is not wasting money unacceptable?

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Let's try again: why is not wasting money unacceptable?

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    Well, as I just said — we disagree and so I don't think it's wasting money, if you do… that's up to you.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    No, I believe that the NHS should decide what is warranted and what is not and it shouldn't be politicised.

    Why should the government be spending money on it if we do not get to determine what the money is spent on?
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    (Original post by iEthan)
    Well, as I just said — we disagree and so I don't think it's wasting money, if you do… that's up to you.
    Can we hand out free opiates too, a free morphine dispenser at all surgeries would be nice

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Can we hand out free opiates too, a free morphine dispenser at all surgeries would be nice

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    I haven't got the energy for this.

    Why don't you propose it in a bill so I can vote nay on it?

    As I've said, we disagree. That's all there is to it, it's hardly surprising that I, a Liberal disagree with you, a Conservative. There will always be things which we disagree on. It doesn't really matter, you vote, I vote. Simple.
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    (Original post by iEthan)
    I haven't got the energy for this.

    Why don't you propose it in a bill so I can vote nay on it?

    As I've said, we disagree. That's all there is to it, it's hardly surprising that I, a Liberal disagree with you, a Conservative. There will always be things which we disagree on. It doesn't really matter, you vote, I vote. Simple.
    Because I have better things to do that write stupid bills?

    Time to increase the tally of debating club members who want to do anything but debate.

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    This is very similar to my NHS Operation Funding Bill Which removed IVF , Gender reassignment , Plastic Surgery and others from the NHS ... This is a very easy Aye ...
    As JD Said we need to privatise the NHS to remove the politics from healthcare
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Because I have better things to do that write stupid bills?

    Time to increase the tally of debating club members who want to do anything but debate.

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    Awesome! It's quarter to one in in morning. I've no interest in debating with you at the moment unfortunately.
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    Abstain. I approve of not funding alternative treatments but not of stopping funding for gender reassignment surgery when in many cases, this is the most appropriate course of action for transgender individuals. Also, define 'scientific consensus'.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Abstain. I approve of not funding alternative treatments but not of stopping funding for gender reassignment surgery when in many cases, this is the most appropriate course of action for transgender individuals. Also, define 'scientific consensus'.
    I'd urge you, and everyone who is thinking along the same lines as you, to vote against when it goes to division. Those treatments you disagree with can be stopped by another bill or a motion or even an SoI by this or a future Government. But it will be much harder to fight to get back gender reassignment surgery and hormonal therapy which a house who's right wing is so ideologically against it. I agree that some of the alternative treatments mentioned should not be funded, but by abstaining you are more likely to help the bill to pass than to stop it.
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    easy nay
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    Nay. Agree with restrictions on plastic surgery, not funding some of the alternative treatments, but IVF should be on a case by case basis. The gender assignment bit seems a view by the Bill proposer to reduce the number who have such surgery, not save a very small fraction of the NHS budget.
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    I support in this in principle as it shrinks the NHS but there is still a long way to go if we want effective, efficient, quality healthcare that isn't funded by statist coercion.
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    Nay, but also, poorly researched, the NHS already doesn't fund homeopathy in TSRland:

    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3526873
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    I'd urge you, and everyone who is thinking along the same lines as you, to vote against when it goes to division. Those treatments you disagree with can be stopped by another bill or a motion or even an SoI by this or a future Government. But it will be much harder to fight to get back gender reassignment surgery and hormonal therapy which a house who's right wing is so ideologically against it. I agree that some of the alternative treatments mentioned should not be funded, but by abstaining you are more likely to help the bill to pass than to stop it.
    Again, what is it with you guys and wanting to waste money for no results? The only plastic surgery offered by the NHS should be reconstructive, or shall I pen a bill to make all cosmetic surgery free on the NHS, after all, if you give a suicidal person who doesn't like their nose a nose job they're definitely not jumping in front of that train they're statistically still going to throw themselves in front of.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Nay, but also, poorly researched, the NHS already doesn't fund homeopathy in TSRland:

    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3526873
    The problem with this comment is homeopathy is a type of alternative medicine, however, the Socialist bill does not ban all alternative medicine. All but one treatment banned in this bill would not be banned by the Socialist bill because treatments such as acupuncture, and cupping therapy are not homeopathic treatments.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    The problem with this comment is homeopathy is a type of alternative medicine, however, the Socialist bill does not ban all alternative medicine. All but one treatment banned in this bill would not be banned by the Socialist bill because treatments such as acupuncture, and cupping therapy are not homeopathic treatments.
    This is true, but you have nevertheless included homeopathy in this Bill. It doesn't make the whole Bill irrelevant - and tbh I don't really care, reading what other people have done in the past isn't that interesting - but it does show a lack of research.

    As for the rest, get rid of s1(3)-(5) and s2(2)-(5) and you have an aye.
 
 
 
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