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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    Do you think PR would make things better or worse on a parliamentary level? At the moment, there aren't that many hard left Labour MPs, but on a PR/Party List system - do you think this would change? Depends what you think the projections are for people who would actually vote for a major outwardly Socialist party.
    The current system no longer works. A party cannot function when you have people like Umunna and Corbyn in the same party. People should know what they're voting for.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    I think the best policy is to vote on an individual basis. There are politicians all across the spectrum who I'd never vote for. I'd vote for ukip if that was the least bad option.

    My Tory MP is awful I'd probably vote for the Labour candidate who I know and is pretty sensible and resoloutley anti Corbyn ( virtually all Parliamentary candidates in the SE voted for Kendall and were almost in tears when Corbyn was elected- Corbyn being the antithesis of what voters in their constituencies saying they wanted)
    It's a good point; to vote Labour not as an endorsement of the leadership but of the local MP who opposes it
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    The current system no longer works. A party cannot function when you have people like Umunna and Corbyn in the same party. People should know what they're voting for.
    I see what you're saying - and I get it - Chukka is as blatant a Tory as they come, who just says he cares a lot. But with regard to the London Reds, like Corbyn, Lammy, Abbott, McDonnell - what are the "default" working class Labour MPs, if not the London group? With all the Scots gone - is it the Northern MPs? The voting patterns are completely different, especially with regard to things like Brexit.
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    I see what you're saying - and I get it - Chukka is as blatant a Tory as they come, who just says he cares a lot. But with regard to the London Reds, like Corbyn, Lammy, Abbott, McDonnell - what are the "default" working class Labour MPs, if not the London group? With all the Scots gone - is it the Northern MPs? The voting patterns are completely different, especially with regard to things like Brexit.
    I'd be interested to hear in what ways you think Chukka Umunna is 'as blatant a Tory as they come'
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    (Original post by Fenice)
    I'd be interested to hear in what ways you think Chukka Umunna is 'as blatant a Tory as they come'
    He's the heir to Blair and Mandy - who were essentially Tories who thought they had a better chance of being elected in Labour.
    Everything he says is Tory-left, with a few social policy bones thrown in just so everyone knows he's in Labour. This is why the Corbynites hate him so much - being a Blarite is much worse than being a Tory for them.

    He set himself out as pro-business, he wants the aspirational middle-class to vote Labour, he was against Milliband on going after business and wealth. He's for very laissez-faire government when it comes to business regulation.

    He was quoted somewhere, in almost a simulacrum of Mandleson's "comfortable with the filthy rich" - Chukka said something like "there's a place for the very rich in Labour" - which is the complete opposite of the "tax the rich into the ground" which is the Labour left mantra.

    Tristram Hunt, too. I mean - you can't be a Labour MP if you're called Tristram.
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    He's the heir to Blair and Mandy - who were essentially Tories who thought they had a better chance of being elected in Labour.
    Everything he says is Tory-left, with a few social policy bones thrown in just so everyone knows he's in Labour. This is why the Corbynites hate him so much - being a Blarite is much worse than being a Tory for them.

    He set himself out as pro-business, he wants the aspirational middle-class to vote Labour, he was against Milliband on going after business and wealth. He's for very laissez-faire government when it comes to business regulation.

    He was quoted somewhere, in almost a simulacrum of Mandleson's "comfortable with the filthy rich" - Chukka said something like "there's a place for the very rich in Labour" - which is the complete opposite of the "tax the rich into the ground" which is the Labour left mantra.
    No I don't agree. The Tories would not have introduced a bill of rights, the minimum wage, surestart, or a host of other policies, nor would they have invested as much in our public services. Cameron once called himself the heir to Blair and that is a testament to the changing effect Labour had on the Tories

    I would like to see some supporting evidence that Umunna is 'for very laissez-faire government when it comes to business regulation'

    Being pro-business and pursuing social justice are not mutually exclusive things. What parties and leaders appear to be in interviews and statements is not the same as what they are on vellum

    Tristram Hunt, too. I mean - you can't be a Labour MP if you're called Tristram.
    Well that is snobbish nonsense
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Tory.

    Labour have elected an extremist, the Lib Dems have abandoned the coalition years and have turned on the Tories and although James is preferable to Farage, they still come across as being a party who blames others for the countries personal failings.

    I do prefer Cameron to May though, i think the country will miss him in time.
    Cameron wanted the UK to stay in the EU. Why would you vote for someone who is so, so against what you think of the EU?
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    (Original post by Pulse.)
    Tory.

    Closest party to taking us out of the European Union and respecting the democratic decision of the referendum.

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    Yeah, sure, because saying "F*ck you" to the 48%, out of the 72% who voted, who wanted to stay is so democratic.
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    (Original post by New- Emperor)
    if there was an election tomorrow who would you vote for? I think I would vet for
    Lib Dem as they want to take us back in to the EU.

    The Tories seem to have got worse after Cameron (pig fancier) left office and
    now seem quite elitist.
    Labour are in disarray.

    I can't see/want UKIP in power so it seems to me that Lib Dem is my only option
    If it was today/tomorrow the conservatives would win in a landslide. I'd vote for whoever I think cares most about the people over themselves.
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    (Original post by asmuse123)
    Yeah, sure, because saying "F*ck you" to the 48%, out of the 72% who voted, who wanted to stay is so democratic.
    Well it was a referendum that we voted in and when it came down to it remain came up short. It would be even more of an affront to democracy if we didn't leave the European Union.
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    UKIP or Tory. The other parties are all just a bunch of jokes.
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    Tory or UKIP
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    Probably green, I do like the Lib Dems pro-EU policy but I don't fully trust them and I do like Corbyn but I don't know if I like the Labour Party as a whole.
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    I have no faith in any of them, but getting the green party in would be a hilarious power shift so I'd go for that.

    (Original post by asmuse123)
    Yeah, sure, because saying "F*ck you" to the 48%, out of the 72% who voted, who wanted to stay is so democratic.
    And saying sod off to 52% is better, is it? I'm confused what point you've made other than accidentally pointing out that democracy is more or less crap.
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    I'm an extreme socialist bordering on communist living in true blue Tory land, so I really don't have any viable options, but Labour because the Greens seem to me not to have much idea what they're talking about except on environmental issues which aren't my most major priority.
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    Green, as I did in the last GE and for London Mayor.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    I'm an extreme socialist bordering on communist living in true blue Tory land, so I really don't have any viable options, but Labour because the Greens seem to me not to have much idea what they're talking about except on environmental issues which aren't my most major priority.
    And labour do know what there on about???
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    (Original post by AlexS101)
    And labour do know what there on about???
    More than the Greens, though admittedly not by much right now.
 
 
 
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