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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Yes, he's the modern form of fascism. It's similar to Berlusconi in Italy, Farage in the UK, Wilders in the Netherlands, Le Pen in France or the AFD in Germany - they are all basically blaming migrant groups for the economic crash and winning reactionary votes, plus the votes of the part of the working class for whom social democracy has visibly failed.

    The scale of the effects of the financial crash of 2008 on the western economies has been huge and it is the stagnating incomes, high unemployment and limited opportunities that are scaring voters into supporting these apparent clowns.

    Behind the jovial pretences of these hard right people lies a menacing future - they will base our societies on hate, not progress and on blame and victimisation, not rational evaluation of what can be done to bring us out of the economic malaise we are in.

    It isn't exactly the same as the 1930s, but there are a lot of similarities.
    The problem is we rewrite history to fit our perceptions of our time. Yes there are comparisons between these people and Hitler, but there are large differences even between those you listed, what they stand for and what their motivations are.

    Both history and politics is more nuanced than that. Corbyn isn't Lenin, even though he likes to dress like him, Trump isn't Hitler, even though he inspires hate of minorty groups.

    Once we are able to get past these lazy comparisons we might be able to address the problems they both create and claim to deal with.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    It's fine comparing something or someone to the Nazis or Hitler, when the comparison is relevant and you know about the subject.
    But my point is they generally are not and the comparisons are typically lazy.
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    (Original post by Damien96)
    Not everything can be compared to the Nazis and bringing up Hitler does not make you a history scholar. I've noticed this start to happen with Trump now, not only is he compared to Hitler, he's replaced him for spurious comparisons.

    There should be a law where you are prohibited to have an opinion on important topics when you do this.


    http://thesatedire.com/news/world-ne...isons-forever/
    Um... I think that sounds like something Hitler would say.
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    (Original post by Duck10101)
    Um... I think that sounds like something Hitler would say.
    Only in German ... and a bit angrier.
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    I have never compared Trump to Hitler, but some of the same Trump supporters who are against this have compared Muslims to Nazis.

    So they are hypocrites.
    W-w-wait... what?

    Source?
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    (Original post by Damien96)
    Not everything can be compared to the Nazis and bringing up Hitler does not make you a history scholar. I've noticed this start to happen with Trump now, not only is he compared to Hitler, he's replaced him for spurious comparisons.

    There should be a law where you are prohibited to have an opinion on important topics when you do this.


    http://thesatedire.com/news/world-ne...isons-forever/
    There have been some legitimate parallels between Trump and Hitler. Their antisemitism being the most obvious; Jews were (apparently, according to Hitler) responsible for the fall of Germany. Likewise, apparently Muslims are responsible for the fall of the USA. Mexicans are bringing crime and rapists into the USA - just like non-Aryans were into Germany and other parts of Europe.

    Not only that, but there are some very big parallels in their personalities - such as being very charismatic speakers, capable of getting a drowd to feel whatever they want them to.
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    Don't tell me what analogies I can draw, or support laws banning freedom of expression.

    That's the sort of thing Hitler would have done.
    Beat me to it!
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    (Original post by Damien96)
    Don't tell me what I can't tell you, that's just like Trump.
    Just ask yourself, "what would Ken Livingstone say?"
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    (Original post by Damien96)
    Not everything can be compared to the Nazis and bringing up Hitler does not make you a history scholar. I've noticed this start to happen with Trump now, not only is he compared to Hitler, he's replaced him for spurious comparisons.

    There should be a law where you are prohibited to have an opinion on important topics when you do this.


    http://thesatedire.com/news/world-ne...isons-forever/
    Often, the people that are comparing Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler are joking, although there are some striking resemblances.
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    I have never compared Trump to Hitler, but some of the same Trump supporters who are against this have compared Muslims to Nazis.

    So they are hypocrites.
    There are certainly ideological similarities between Islam and fascism. However, saying Muslims are like Nazis is just silly. A more apposite analogy would be that Muslims are like 1930s Germans and Islamists are like Nazis
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    (Original post by Josb)
    It's fine comparing something or someone to the Nazis or Hitler, when the comparison is relevant and you know about the subject.
    Another important element is being able to tell the difference between using Nazis in an analogy, and comparing someone to Nazis.
    I'm genuinely bewildered at how many so-called "students" who seem incapable of this simple task.
    But then, there are also plenty on here who think that unless an opinion poll asks every member of a population, it cannot be representative. :dontknow:
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    (Original post by QE2)
    Beat me to it!
    Like Hitler did with jet aircraft and rocket technology.
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    (Original post by _gcx)
    Often, the people that are comparing Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler are joking, although there are some striking resemblances.
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    There are far more differences. You can compare anyone to anything if you select your facts carefully enough.
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    (Original post by Tootles)
    There have been some legitimate parallels between Trump and Hitler. Their antisemitism being the most obvious; Jews were (apparently, according to Hitler) responsible for the fall of Germany. Likewise, apparently Muslims are responsible for the fall of the USA. Mexicans are bringing crime and rapists into the USA - just like non-Aryans were into Germany and other parts of Europe.

    Not only that, but there are some very big parallels in their personalities - such as being very charismatic speakers, capable of getting a drowd to feel whatever they want them to.
    The only comparison, and it's a loose one, is populist racism, that's it. He isn't charismatic and he's an awful speaker. What is it he actually stands for? That crowd already held these views, he is just an opportunistic conman taking advantage of the platform vacated by a morally inconsistent left.
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    (Original post by RainbowMan)
    Trump's not Hitler but he's clearly an ill-informed opportunistic *******. I do not think he believes the nonsense he spouts because he clearly believes in nothing but self-promotion and self-enrichment. He knows American prejudices, he plays them well merely to advance his own career. He's the ultimate power-hungry amoral *******.
    Things that Hitler was that you just stated about Trump:

    1. ill-informed opportunistic *******.
    2.believed in self-promotion and self-enrichment (his close affiliation with conservative party of Germany)
    3. Hitler knew German prejudices (or rather European prejudices), anti-semitism was rife throughout Europe before, leading up to and during his reign as fuhrer.
    4. It has been argued by many Historians that Hitler used these prejudices (not always as effectively as he thought) to gain favour from the masses.

    Honestly, I could list the paralells until next year. Trump is doing the same, or very similar in his campaign to Hitler. This is dangerous! People trusted Hitler because he was charismatic and a good speaker (things that Trump also emulates). This led to some of the biggest catastrophes this world has ever seen! Don't even give him an inch of leeway, or he'll slip through the cracks of the nation's psyche and History will repeat itself or create a new bloody marker on the map of human events.
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    (Original post by JPO92)
    Things that Hitler was that you just stated about Trump:

    1. ill-informed opportunistic *******.
    2.believed in self-promotion and self-enrichment (his close affiliation with conservative party of Germany)
    3. Hitler knew German prejudices (or rather European prejudices), anti-semitism was rife throughout Europe before, leading up to and during his reign as fuhrer.
    4. It has been argued by many Historians that Hitler used these prejudices (not always as effectively as he thought) to gain favour from the masses.

    Honestly, I could list the paralells until next year. Trump is doing the same, or very similar in his campaign to Hitler. This is dangerous! People trusted Hitler because he was charismatic and a good speaker (things that Trump also emulates). This led to some of the biggest catastrophes this world has ever seen! Don't even give him an inch of leeway, or he'll slip through the cracks of the nation's psyche and History will repeat itself or create a new bloody marker on the map of human events.
    1. Of all the issues people have with Hitler, being uninformed has never been one.

    2. All politicians self-promote, elections are popularity contests, but financial greed was never Hitler's motivation. he was an idealogue, Trump is anything but.

    3. Trump does use populist racist rhetoric, this is a fair comparison, but it is still a loose one.

    4. That's the same as 3.

    Things that Ghandi and Hitler were

    1. Vegetarian
    2. Against Capitalism
    3. Religious
    4. Charismatic

    None of which apply to Trump.

    It isn't about accepting Trump's message, it's about not making lazy comparisons. You can hate Trump on his own terms, Hitler comparisons only appear feeble minded.
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    It makes people lazy, not ignorant.
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    (Original post by Napp)
    It makes people lazy, not ignorant.
    "Look ignorant"

    Informed people can still appear ignorant. This is just pedantics, however.
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    (Original post by Damien96)
    1. Of all the issues people have with Hitler, being uninformed has never been one.

    2. All politicians self-promote, elections are popularity contests, but financial greed was never Hitler's motivation. he was an idealogue, Trump is anything but.

    3. Trump does use populist racist rhetoric, this is a fair comparison, but it is still a loose one.

    4. That's the same as 3.

    Things that Ghandi and Hitler were

    1. Vegetarian
    2. Against Capitalism
    3. Religious
    4. Charismatic

    None of which apply to Trump.

    It isn't about accepting Trump's message, it's about not making lazy comparisons. You can hate Trump on his own terms, Hitler comparisons only appear feeble minded.
    Don't accuse me of making feeble minded assumptions if you're going to do the very same! That's what a hypocrite does, am I right?

    I wrote an essay on how Hitler's views on anti-Semitism progressed through his early life and their origins. To do this, I researched and read many passages from biographies by leading Historians in their fields such as Ian Kershaw and Allan Bullock etc.

    Hitler was very ill informed about many things. He was a great speaker, but his education was patchy at best, choosing to do most of his reading from politically charged pamphlets in his younger years. Often laced with propaganda of every kind and hugely deceitful, political writing in Germany was unreliable. It often used minorities and folk legends to further the cause (a possible reason why Hitler did the same).

    How can you say that Trump is not an idealogue? I have seen interviews with him from many years ago where he was asked if he would run for president and replied that he would 'prefer someone else to do it, but if nobody was going to do it right, he would make America great again' or something along those lines. His language is indicative of someone who thinks that something needs to be done to raise America up to its 'rightful' position at the top, and also believes that he might have to be the one to do it. How can you call that anything less than prophetic?

    Loose on what grounds?

    You want loose, how about your first comparison between Ghandi and Hitler: both vegetarians. That's about as loose a comparison as it gets, considering you would have to make the foolish assumption that your dietary preferences have anything to do with your political agenda....
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    (Original post by JPO92)
    Don't accuse me of making feeble minded assumptions if you're going to do the very same! That's what a hypocrite does, am I right?

    I wrote an essay on how Hitler's views on anti-Semitism progressed through his early life and their origins. To do this, I researched and read many passages from biographies by leading Historians in their fields such as Ian Kershaw and Allan Bullock etc.

    Hitler was very ill informed about many things. He was a great speaker, but his education was patchy at best, choosing to do most of his reading from politically charged pamphlets in his younger years. Often laced with propaganda of every kind and hugely deceitful, political writing in Germany was unreliable. It often used minorities and folk legends to further the cause (a possible reason why Hitler did the same).

    How can you say that Trump is not an idealogue? I have seen interviews with him from many years ago where he was asked if he would run for president and replied that he would 'prefer someone else to do it, but if nobody was going to do it right, he would make America great again' or something along those lines. His language is indicative of someone who thinks that something needs to be done to raise America up to its 'rightful' position at the top, and also believes that he might have to be the one to do it. How can you call that anything less than prophetic?

    Loose on what grounds?

    You want loose, how about your first comparison between Ghandi and Hitler: both vegetarians. That's about as loose a comparison as it gets, considering you would have to make the foolish assumption that your dietary preferences have anything to do with your political agenda....
    Are you purposely misunderstanding everything I said? Does disagreement make you so angry you believe that misrepresenting is morally acceptable?

    I didn't call you feeble minded, I said Hitler comparisons are. It might surprise you, but the point I was making wasn't all about you.

    I purposely used a loose comparison to highlight loose comparisons of Hitler. In this case I was pointing out you can select any information to make it fit a weak premise.

    I also never claimed Hitler was highly informed, just that this comparison was, again, loose.

    Trump is an opportunistic conman, financing both parties, making friends with the Clintons and holding opposite views that depend entirely on his audience. He's a wind sock who is only interested in power and attention.

    That you read some books on the subject is hardly worthy of respect if you can't read 100 words on a forum honestly.

    If you would like to take the hostility done a notch and give me some specifics I am always happy to learn when someone has knowledge on a subject.
 
 
 
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