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    (Original post by mishieru07)
    Your fundamental premise seems to be that Oxford = work far harder than any other university = lose out on having a "fun" time (eg extra curriculars, socializing) = not worth the trade off because at any rate you won't earn enough after graduation to justify the amount of work.

    Personally, I think that's incorrect.

    First, you're correct that the workload is intense, and unless one is extremely gifted, most people don't breeze through the work with little effort. The courses are designed to be challenging, and the tutors do expect you to work hard, but they aren't unreasonable. My tutors expected us to consistently achieve at a 2i standard, which is completely doable with a decent but not insane amount of work.

    Second, people generally have a "work hard, play harder" mentality. I don't actually know very many Oxonians who literally did nothing but study. Almost everyone gets involved in extra-curricular activities; if anything, it's important to take breaks from studying.

    Third, I think you might actually be overestimating how much work you would be doing. Yes, it is a lot of work, but there's definitely ample time left over to socialize and participate in all sorts of activities. You will not, and are not expected to work investment banker hours. As a student, I was involved in plenty of stuff, from chapel choir to dancesport beginners team to volunteering to drama. I also like to think I had a decent social life (met my long-term SO at Oxford), and I graduated with a first class degree. It really isn't as difficult or rare as you might think.

    What I tell people is that there is a "minimum amount of work" required to get a 2i (and get the tutors off your back). For Arts students, my guess is that it would probably take you around 30-40 hours each week, depending on how efficient you are. That's more or less like a 9-5 job if you want to take weekends off. If you ask me, I think the opportunity to study at Oxford is worth that trade-off, but perhaps your mileage may vary.

    Aside from that, Oxford is as intense as you want it to be work-wise. You can study 60 hours a week and aim to finish every item on your reading list, or you can be like me and work a decent amount but accept that you'll never read everything, and consequently would know less than some of your more hardworking peers. It's just a trade-off.

    Fourth, what sort of profession one goes on to after Oxford really depends on the individual. As far as I'm aware though, Oxford is very well represented (over-represented?) in most of the high earning industries (eg law, banking). That being said, there is no free lunch in this world, and the work-life balance for most of these jobs are way, way more atrocious (currently a trainee solicitor, would love to have my student hours back).

    However, I can understand where you're coming from. If you honestly do believe that Oxford isn't for you, that's fine. It really isn't for everyone. If you think that the intensity isn't worth it, then go where you think you'd be happiest.

    Best response so far, thanks a lot I have a much clearer view of things now. I still think 9-5 hours are a huge trade off, but if you Can manage it I can definitively understand why you'd sign up to it. I think I'm personally suited to being a big fish in a small pond with an easier work load, but total respect for those of you that pull it off somewhere like Oxford
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    (Original post by Mvpmb)
    I think I'm personally suited to being a big fish in a small pond with an easier work load...
    That's absolutely fine if that is the case - as that poster you quoted said, it's definitely not for everyone and there's nothing wrong/no shame in that For me, going from being a big fish in a tiny pond, to a tiny fish in a big pond took a bit of getting used to!

    That said, there was something quite freeing about my (eventually) learning that it's OK to be a tiny fish in a big pond, especially when that big pond consisted of many of the most intelligent people in the country/world :yes:
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    I apologise if my tone has come accross as disrespectful, I'm simply trying to understand what is best for me!

    My perception is that Oxford is for people that want an academically focused life during their youth because they have a passion for studying , whereas other RG uni's are more likely for people who are intelligent but want to have a better work/life balance during their youth.

    I think I am right based off the self reported work load of Oxford students and the typical professions associated with the University(Teacher/Poltician/Banking) etc.

    Is that not reasonable?
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    (Original post by Mvpmb)
    My perception is that Oxford is for people that want an academically focused life during their youth, because they have a passion for studying...
    I think that's hard to dispute.

    But is that mutually exclusive with other things like partying or sports? I think everyone here has said the same thing: no. There is plenty of objective proof of this.

    ...whereas other RG uni's are more likely for people who are intelligent but want to have a better work/life balance during their youth.
    I think that's a huge over-simplification and simply untrue in many circumstances. Some tried to get into Oxbridge and failed. Some are very dedicated to academia but didn't think Oxbridge was for them. And a whole variety of other reasons.

    Also, "youth" is not restricted to a 3 year degree.

    Not choosing Oxbridge is not an unreasonable decision. There are lots of reasons to do so, including being scared of the workload. But from what you're saying I still think you're significantly underestimating the workload at top non-Oxbridge unis. Its probably true that the workload won't be quite as high, but you lose out on a lot of other things I've mentioned above and the difference is not that great. A handful of extra hours per week is what you're probably gaining. Perhaps that's enough to outweigh all the advantages of Oxbridge you'd be gaining. Perhaps it isn't . As long as your view is realistic.

    I think I am right based off the ... typical professions associated with the University(Teacher/Poltician/Banking) etc.
    The link I provided regarding careers did not mention politics significantly and you neglected to mention the second highest category (health and social care). I also struggle to see how you're linking people becoming teachers to the university's workload.

    Its clear you've already made up your mind. I'm mainly responding for the benefit of anyone else reading.
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    (Original post by Mvpmb)
    To clarify my concerns

    In my opinion, I don't think academic obsession in the most formative years of your life is healthy. The perception I have(and I may be mistaken which is exactly why I'm asking) is that Oxford students work considerably more/harder then others and therefore find it more difficult to have achieve fuffilment in other areas of their life due to The abnormal intensity of their work. In a lot of cases, Oxford graduates do not go on to be highly Succesful rich people or at least not enough so to justify the work they put into their degree. It's one thing to love a subject, it's another to spend the peak years of your youth suffocating yourself with it.

    Now, if you turn around and tell me that most people at Oxford are actually very social sporty fun people who breeze through the work then I will apologize.

    I'm just asking because I recently achieved a clean slate of A's and A*'s in my a levels and have developed an obsession with politics. I achieved 100%across all my units for it and worked with Zac goldsmith among other things and part of me wants to give Oxford a crack. I LOVE the subject, I talk about it all day research it non stop and have done endless hours of work all year to get my A*(my school is one of the worst in the country so it really was a difficult self study venture). I just don't feel that happy about it though


    However, for some reason I just don't think the hardcore academic lifestyle is actually worth it.
    IF I come out of Oxford with a top class degree but all my friends outside are playing sports getting girls and having a more natural youthful life id probably be a bit jealous ya know?

    I'm not arrogant enough to say I would get accepted, but if I can say confidently in advanced I don't want to go it would save me the stress of applying so I can just have a more fun year.

    I'm not disrespecting people that do genuinely want a high stress academic intensive 3 year experience, I'm just trying to set the record straight that that's what it actually is so I don't make a mistaken decision to try and be somewhere that will stop me from being happy

    Essentially, I'm saying that I believe a work intensive environment like Oxford makes it difficult to enjoy life unless you really do get off on studying. Feel free to dispute that, that's why I posted
    My sister went to Oxford and I linked her this thread and she laughed so hard at all the things you've said.

    1) The workload at Oxford is high but what do you expect? It's a tough workload but it's not to the point where you'll be suffocated in it. My sister and her friends are plenty of nights out and parties under their "suffocating workload"
    2) Have you not heard of Oxford vs Cambridge rivalry? It's fierce as hell with sports. They have Varsity and Oxford colleges have their own college matches. Please apologise.
    3) It's literally just 3 years of your life that fly by. Would you rather work your ass off now and be chilled for the rest of it or not?
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper)
    My sister went to Oxford and I linked her this thread and she laughed so hard at all the things you've said.

    1) The workload at Oxford is high but what do you expect? It's a tough workload but it's not to the point where you'll be suffocated in it. My sister and her friends are plenty of nights out and parties under their "suffocating workload"
    2) Have you not heard of Oxford vs Cambridge rivalry? It's fierce as hell with sports. They have Varsity and Oxford colleges have their own college matches. Please apologise.
    3) It's literally just 3 years of your life that fly by. Would you rather work your ass off now and be chilled for the rest of it or not?
    When a former Oxford student gives me a full on pro Oxford response I don't really take it to seriously
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    (Original post by nexttime)
    Its clear you've already made up your mind. I'm mainly responding for the benefit of anyone else reading.
    ^this

    (Original post by Mvpmb)
    When a former Oxford student gives me a full on pro Oxford response I don't really take it to seriously
    QED
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    I posted this in the Oxford forum hoping that most of you would give me a balanced response explaining why you chose Oxford and why others might not want to. Fair play to those of you that have but most of you are going for a pretty snobby "Oxford is excellent OP is crazy" kind of thing, reaffirming my concerns about the undesirable social atmosphere
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    (Original post by Mvpmb)
    I posted this in the Oxford forum hoping that most of you would give me a balanced response explaining why you chose Oxford and why others might not want to. Fair play to those of you that have but most of you are going for a pretty snobby "Oxford is excellent OP is crazy" kind of thing, reaffirming my concerns about the undesirable social atmosphere
    Was your OP balanced by stating "With the ... upper class social cliques" which you followed up by saying "Why would anyone who wants a fun youth take Oxford seriously?".

    And then you are surprised by posters (not all of whom are/were at Oxford btw) who defend Oxford...

    Anyway, if your question is: can you study hard and have fun at Oxbridge? Then the answer is a simple and emphatic: yes.

    That's really the only message you need to take away.
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    (Original post by Mvpmb)
    I posted this in the Oxford forum hoping that most of you would give me a balanced response explaining why you chose Oxford and why others might not want to. Fair play to those of you that have but most of you are going for a pretty snobby "Oxford is excellent OP is crazy" kind of thing, reaffirming my concerns about the undesirable social atmosphere
    People might not want to attend Oxford for a number of reasons but one of the main ones is unfounded prejudices they hold due to rubbish representation in the media and unfounded myths being perpetuated on the Internet. This is why we have not taken too kindly to your way of wording things. You are stereotyping all of us in a wildly inaccurate fashion that is borderline offensive, tbh, and it's hard to tell from what you've written whether you are just hugely misinformed due to rubbish media representation/unfounded myths you've read on the Internet, or whether you are just... *insert not-so-favourable qualities in here* :dontknow:
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    (Original post by jneill)

    And then you are surprised by posters (not all of whom are/were at Oxford btw) who defend Oxford...
    Was shocked to find you and vincrows in here defending Oxford, ngl
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    (Original post by The_Lonely_Goatherd)
    Was shocked to find you and vincrows in here defending Oxford, ngl
    Your forum is so lethargic compared to ours, we thought you needed extra help.
    And in case you didn't notice (or deliberately trying to overlook), we're defending OXBRIDGE, not Oxford.
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    (Original post by vincrows)
    Your forum is so lethargic compared to ours, we thought you needed extra help.



    And in case you didn't notice (or deliberately trying to overlook), we're defending OXBRIDGE, not Oxford.
    Hee hee, maybe you are. I believe my first post in this thread dissed you lot. Or at least I meant to diss you lot. Maybe I forgot to type it in the end :ninja:
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    (Original post by The_Lonely_Goatherd)
    Was shocked to find you and vincrows in here defending Oxford, ngl
    All for one and one for Oxbridge

    (Original post by The_Lonely_Goatherd)
    Hee hee, maybe you are. I believe my first post in this thread dissed you lot. Or at least I meant to diss you lot. Maybe I forgot to type it in the end
    we rose above it
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    (Original post by The_Lonely_Goatherd)
    People might not want to attend Oxford for a number of reasons but one of the main ones is unfounded prejudices they hold due to rubbish representation in the media and unfounded myths being perpetuated on the Internet. This is why we have not taken too kindly to your way of wording things. You are stereotyping all of us in a wildly inaccurate fashion that is borderline offensive, tbh, and it's hard to tell from what you've written whether you are just hugely misinformed due to rubbish media representation/unfounded myths you've read on the Internet, or whether you are just... *insert not-so-favourable qualities in here* :dontknow:
    PRSOM back to you.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    All for one and one for Oxbridge



    we rose above it
    Awwww

    :grouphugs:
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    (Original post by The_Lonely_Goatherd)
    Awwww

    :grouphugs:

    YHARAPBTUR

    I must be going soft in my (even older) age... :hugs:
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    I'd personally love it at Oxford. I love having lots of academic work to do, it makes me feel satisfied and purposeful.
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    (Original post by Mvpmb)
    When a former Oxford student gives me a full on pro Oxford response I don't really take it to seriously
    Ironic because you're not that balanced yourself hun. And answer the question.
 
 
 
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