M406 - Full Drug Decriminalisation

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    I will probably be abstaining on this one. I see both the positive and negative sides of drug legalisation. I do believe that people should have control over their own lives and that if all drugs are legalised, the drug market can be regulated a lot better. However, drug abuse costs the NHS £488m each year and someone severely under the influence of drugs could pose a threat to the public.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Decriminalisation and legalisation are two different things. Whilst I personally support legalisation, I didn't think it would have a feasible chance of passing. There also isn't much evidence in favour of it. Decriminalisation, on the other hand, had plenty of evidence in favour of it


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    Decriminalisation and legalisation are the same thing in this context, or at least, legalisation is a subset of decriminalisation, and can validly be interpreted that way. Considering outright legalisation is a disaster, it needs a change before I can support it.
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    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    I will probably be abstaining on this one. I see both the positive and negative sides of drug legalisation. I do believe that people should have control over their own lives and that if all drugs are legalised, the drug market can be regulated a lot better. However, drug abuse costs the NHS £488m each year and someone severely under the influence of drugs could pose a threat to the public.
    Again, this isn't drug legalisation. There is a difference between decriminalisation and legalisation.

    If you look at the data I've supplied from Portugal, you'll know that this will reduce NHS costs. You'll know that this will reduce drug usage. You'll know that this will ensure more people aren't posing a threat to the public.


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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Decriminalisation and legalisation are the same thing in this context, or at least, legalisation is a subset of decriminalisation, and can validly be interpreted that way. Considering outright legalisation is a disaster, it needs a change before I can support it.
    Well what changes would be necessary?


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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Well what changes would be necessary?


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    Make it more specific. In fact, if something falls within the legislative competence of Parliament, then it should very rarely be written as a Motion rather than a Bill - or does your coalition agreement permit you to submit Motions but not Bills?
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Make it more specific. In fact, if something falls within the legislative competence of Parliament, then it should very rarely be written as a Motion rather than a Bill - or does your coalition agreement permit you to submit Motions but not Bills?
    This is only being written as a motion so I could work out support before writing and submitting a bill. I don't intend to submit and pass the motion and then sit around twiddling my thumbs thinking my work is done.

    It's got nothing to do with the coalition either, given that it's a Liberal Party motion rather than a Government statement.


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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    This is only being written as a motion so I could work out support before writing and submitting a bill. I don't intend to submit and pass the motion and then sit around twiddling my thumbs thinking my work is done.

    It's got nothing to do with the coalition either, given that it's a Liberal Party motion rather than a Government statement.


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    That was the only possible reason I could think of. If you wanted to gauge support, why not just PM other party leaders, or post in the Bar?

    I don't mean to be a dick, and you know you and I have fundamentally similar ideas on this, I just don't really see the point.
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    It's very odd to see a motion from the Liberal Party calling on the Conservative-Liberal government to do something. You'd think the Deputy Prime Minister would be able to send himself an email or something. He could even cc Life_peer.
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    I fully support this.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    That was the only possible reason I could think of. If you wanted to gauge support, why not just PM other party leaders, or post in the Bar?

    I don't mean to be a dick, and you know you and I have fundamentally similar ideas on this, I just don't really see the point.
    Some leaders don't whip and most MPs don't look in the bar, or comment. I want to know how the majority of MPs will vote. This is the only way I can know for sure how the majority of MPs will vote.

    (Original post by RayApparently)
    It's very odd to see a motion from the Liberal Party calling on the Conservative-Liberal government to do something. You'd think the Deputy Prime Minister would be able to send himself an email or something. He could even cc Life_peer.
    Someone needs to read the notes

    Edit: Or you know, the other comments I've made on this thread explaining exactly why this motion was submitted
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    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    I will probably be abstaining on this one. I see both the positive and negative sides of drug legalisation. I do believe that people should have control over their own lives and that if all drugs are legalised, the drug market can be regulated a lot better. However, drug abuse costs the NHS £488m each year and someone severely under the influence of drugs could pose a threat to the public.
    The obvious solution to this is to privatise healthcare but with the pervasive NHS-worship we have here the next best thing is to make people pay for NHS treatment of issues that are their own fault such as those caused by drug abuse.
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    If it meant that you could get the drugs in pharmacies, sure - this means purity and safety, may reduce drug-related crime and can be taxed to help the economy. I say this as a non drug user.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Someone needs to read the notes

    Edit: Or you know, the other comments I've made on this thread explaining exactly why this motion was submitted
    Is that someone you? Given my post was about the oddness of the Liberals calling on the government they are part of to act and rather than the use of a motion rather than the bill.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Is that someone you? Given my post was about the oddness of the Liberals calling on the government they are part of to act and rather than the use of a motion rather than the bill.
    Let's put it this way - I'm exploiting the use of motions to work out whether a bill on this subject would pass.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Let's put it this way - I'm exploiting the use of motions to work out whether a bill on this subject would pass.
    I guess that depends on how the government votes.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I guess that depends on how the government votes.
    It depends on how half the Government votes actually. And in any case, I'd just submit it as either a Party Bill or a PMB if I had to
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    It depends on how half the Government votes actually. And in any case, I'd just submit it as either a Party Bill or a PMB if I had to
    Are the other half's votes valueless?
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Are the other half's votes valueless?
    Oh no, they all have value I just expect half of the Government to vote a certain way
 
 
 
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