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    (Original post by zippyRN)
    and the basis for this assertion ?

    while people are required to be in education, training or a job with training, unlike school aged children there is nothing that forces a particualr institution to retain someone who doesn;t attend and deceptive.
    I am merely passing on what our school was told by the DFE. The OP may have been permanently excluded (he doesn't make it very clear) but you can no longer be made to leave post 16 just for poor performance.
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    I am merely passing on what our school was told by the DFE. The OP may have been permanently excluded (he doesn't make it very clear) but you can no longer be made to leave post 16 just for poor performance.
    I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you because I don't know how it works, but if so, does that mean an 16-18 year old can be an absolute douchebag at college/sixth form and not getting expelled? How does that work? Surely if the school no longer wants them there they have every right to get rid, and then its the persons responsibility to find an alternative?
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    (Original post by Tw1x)
    I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you because I don't know how it works, but if so, does that mean an 16-18 year old can be an absolute douchebag at college/sixth form and not getting expelled? How does that work? Surely if the school no longer wants them there they have every right to get rid, and then its the persons responsibility to find an alternative?
    That's obviously never been true for 11-16 and now appears not to be true for 16-18 either. I'm not directly involved in this but I know we tried to get someone to leave for wasting everyone's time but not doing anything significantly bad only to discover we couldn't.
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    That's obviously never been true for 11-16 and now appears not to be true for 16-18 either. I'm not directly involved in this but I know we tried to get someone to leave for wasting everyone's time but not doing anything significantly bad only to discover we couldn't.
    Like I said, know nothing about it. But surely that gives trouble causes all the incentive they need to act up even more? There's got to be a line somewhere where schools can say enough is enough...(you'd hope anyway)
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    (Original post by Tw1x)
    I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you because I don't know how it works, but if so, does that mean an 16-18 year old can be an absolute douchebag at college/sixth form and not getting expelled? How does that work? Surely if the school no longer wants them there they have every right to get rid, and then its the persons responsibility to find an alternative?
    No, it doesn't work like that. Not at secondary, anyway. If the school/institution wishes to expel the child, then it has to find somewhere for that child to go. It's called a 'managed move'. It's a bit like refugees - you can't just make them stateless. The receiving institution or PRU needs to agree to take the delinquent child on. And it usually costs the institution ridding themselves of the child a good deal of money and administration. Thus, a school or other institution will do everything in their power to avoid having to permanently exclude (=expel) a child.
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    No, it doesn't work like that. Not at secondary, anyway. If the school/institution wishes to expel the child, then it has to find somewhere for that child to go. It's called a 'managed move'. It's a bit like refugees - you can't just make them stateless. The receiving institution or PRU needs to agree to take the delinquent child on. And it usual costs the institution ridding themselves of the child a good deal of money and administration. Thus, a school or other institution will do everything in their power to avoid having to permanently exclude (=expel) a child.
    Thanks for that, learn something new everyday. Do schools get paid for taking on expelled students? By the time I finished secondary school about 30 people in my year had been permanently excluded over the 5 years, I did wonder what happened to them
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    Thanks for that, learn something new everyday. Do schools get paid for taking on expelled students? By the time I finished secondary school about 30 people in my year had been permanently excluded over the 5 years, I did wonder what happened to them
    They don't get paid as such, but PE students tend to have a lot of extra needs/SEN support and that needs to be costed. I imagine a proportion of the 30 people excluded in your year went to a pupil referral unit, or PRU which really is the end of the road.
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    They don't get paid as such, but PE students tend to have a lot of extra needs/SEN support and that needs to be costed. I imagine a proportion of the 30 people excluded in your year went to a pupil referral unit, or PRU which really is the end of the road.
    Makes sense. For bullies and the likes, that probably is a better solution. I just think some children don't function well in an academic environment - an acquaintance of mine had attention span problems (though never diagnosed) and used to play up so not to be embarrassed in front of the class. I think on those occasions, 1-to-1 with all pupils should be carried out to find out their interests and focus on that instead of the basic curriculum.
 
 
 
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